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News: Hebrew tablet tells of resurrection before Jesus
Posted on Sunday, July 06 @ 17:20:44 PDT by Virgil |
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A stone tablet written in Hebrew is generating debate as some scholars are saying its words point to a suffering messiah who was killed and rose again three days later decades before Jesus of Nazareth. Daniel Boyarin, a professor of Talmudic culture at the University of California at Berkeley told The International Herald Tribune, "Some Christians will find it shocking – a challenge to the uniqueness of their theology – while others will be comforted by the idea of it being a traditional part of Judaism."
The tablet itself, about three feet tall and containing 87 lines of Hebrew in two neat columns, is a rare find because its words are written in ink, rather than engraved. Experts who have analyzed the writing date the stone from the late first century B.C., and a chemical examination conducted by a professor at Tel Aviv University showed no reason to doubt the date.
The content of the writing, however, remains much in doubt, as evidenced by a handful of articles on the stone and several due to be published in coming months.
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Re: Hebrew tablet tells of resurrection before Jesus (Score: 1)
 by Mick on Monday, July 07 @ 03:52:36 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | | I am not sure that I get it. So what if the ancient Hebrews understood that their Messiah would rise from the dead after 3 days. That could be understood from the OT scriptures. The key is did the followers of Simon risk their lives and fortunes on the belief that he did raise from the dead. |
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Re: Hebrew tablet tells of resurrection before Jesus (Score: 1)
 by Kyle Peterson (peterson.kyle@gmail.com) on Monday, July 07 @ 06:59:16 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | I'd really like to know if this tablet actually names "Simon" as the person of the prophecy. Rather, I think Knohl just threw out the name because it fits his long-time Jewish conspiracy.
Knohl mentions the Simon spoken of by Josephus. Simon of Peraea lived in the Transjordan area and led a band of rebel Jews. After Herod died in 4BCE he declared himself king but was shortly killed afterwards. Simon (of Peraea) had no Messianic considerations whatsoever. A huge stretch by Knohl.
However, people have been confusing the above Simon with Simon bar Kosiba who led a revolt in 132AD and did have Messianic consideration. However, after his failed revolt he was deemed not to be the Messiah. In any case, this was 100 yrs after Christ in which its safe to say that the followers of Christ didn't borrow anything.
It sounds to me that this tablet prophecy references Christ Himself. Again, I'd really like to see if there is a specific name on this tablet - which I'm guessing there isn't. Also, for some reason I thought the 400 yrs between the testaments was a quiet time in prophecy? Maybe this tablet was just translated from a previous source? |
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- by Starlight on Monday, July 07 @ 08:14:10 PDT
- by Kyle Peterson on Monday, July 07 @ 08:44:45 PDT
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- by JL on Monday, July 07 @ 10:06:08 PDT
- by Kyle Peterson on Monday, July 07 @ 10:13:19 PDT
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- by Ransom on Monday, July 07 @ 21:26:42 PDT
Re: Hebrew tablet tells of resurrection before Jesus (Score: 1)
 by JL (j.l.preterist@gmail.com) on Monday, July 07 @ 09:06:10 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Hebrew has no tense, so it's going to be difficult to tell whether a faded, broken text is talking about a past or future event.
I'd question any dating based on writing style that can date something accurately to within a decade or two, unless there was a castastrophic event on one side. An individual scribe tends to use the same writting style over a lifetime.
Blessings,
JL |
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Re: Hebrew tablet tells of resurrection before Jesus (Score: 1)
 by Parker on Monday, July 07 @ 14:27:30 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | I think this tablet, if authentic, lends enormous support of Christian claims about messiah.
Forever Jews have been saying that a suffering, dying, rising messiah had no place in authentic Hebrew thought. It was said to have been a late christian contrivance and probably just borrowed from the pagans anyway.
But this tablet would show that Hebrew concepts about what messiah was expected to do *included* the notion of a suffering, dying, and rising again. This is quite remarkable. |
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- by mazuur on Tuesday, July 08 @ 10:16:34 PDT
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Re: Hebrew tablet tells of resurrection before Jesus (Score: 1)
by Starlight on Wednesday, July 09 @ 05:09:35 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | For those interested, here is a more in-depth discussion on MSNBC which talks about some of the points we have raised. Also there is a link to the English translation so that one can read the text for yourself that I have listed below as well.
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/07/1184950.aspx
http://www.bib-arch.org/news/dssinstone_english.pdf
Norm
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Re: Hebrew tablet tells of resurrection before Jesus (Score: 1)
 by chrisliv on Thursday, July 10 @ 22:14:55 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Yeah,
Maybe Christ even had partially in mind this tablet or its story, when He said:
"All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them." John 10:8
Peace to you all,
C. Livingstone |
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