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The Lord also tells me to tell you in the mid-90's, about '94, '95, no later than that, God will destroy the homosexual community of America. [Round of applause] But He will not destroy it with what many minds have thought Him to be. He will destroy it with fire. And many will turn and be saved, and many will rebel and be destroyed.
-- Benny Hinn, Prophecy For The 1990's, This Is Your Day, Orlando Christian Center, January 1, 1990
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News: Why the historical Jesus matters
Posted on Thursday, March 27 @ 08:42:33 PDT by Virgil |
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by Andrew Perriman
This is not to say that we can only construct our ‘truth’ narratively. We are a creative people, and we must always learn to speak about our existence in the world philosophically, sociologically, artistically, mystically, and so on. But insofar as we regard ourselves as a biblical people (I think that this is a crucial choice that the church as it emerges from Christendom has to make), surely it is incumbent upon us at some basic level to think biblically. We don’t have to understand that in foundational terms: it can be a matter of process, critical examination, dialogue; it can be a matter of simple uninterpreted story-telling or the liturgical reading of scripture. But it is all too easy, otherwise, to develop a belief system that is at odds with the biblical witness.
You can read the entire post by Andrew here: http://opensourcetheology.net/node/1488
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Re: Why the historical Jesus matters (Score: 1)
 by Virgil on Thursday, March 27 @ 08:43:54 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Andrew also reposted a two-year old post on http://opensourcetheology.net about Brian McLaren and Preterism. Check out some of the responses and comments. |
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Re: Why the historical Jesus matters (Score: 1)
 by Barry on Thursday, March 27 @ 09:50:22 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Hi all.
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Let the story stand for what it is, apart from our pressing need to appropriate it for ourselves. Once we have done that, we can start working forwards again and ask what it means to live now in the light of that story. My fear, however, is that we won’t go back far enough to find the road that will lead us through the ‘eschatological crisis’ of the end of the age of Christendom into a new age and a new paradigm. The old Christendom-modern paradigm is pervasive and extremely powerful, and it very quickly reassimilates our attempts to reimagine the biblical narrative. It needs to be resisted.
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Some great points IMO.
Biblical history or the "history of eschatology", is framed in the principle of a "completed" or "fulfilled" "revelation".
As such it must first and foremost be framed historically. The end of the age is a historical ending.
It is to speak of the precedence of types and figures and the subsequent passing away of those types and figures framed in a revelation of a historical "salvation" that is fulfilled.
Thus subsequent ongoing history comes to terms with historical truth.
All of which is framed in the sovereignty of God over all his Creation.
The Maker of the sky and the mountains and the trees and the heavens is the Maker of Israel.
We see in all of these statements such as:
Amo 4:11 I have overthrown [some] of you, as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, and ye were as a firebrand plucked out of the burning: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD.
Amo 4:12 Therefore thus will I do unto thee, O Israel: [and] because I will do this unto thee, prepare to meet thy God, O Israel.
Amo 4:13 For, lo, he that formeth the mountains, and createth the wind, and declareth unto man what [is] his thought, that maketh the morning darkness, and treadeth upon the high places of the earth, The LORD, The God of hosts, [is] his name.
And:
Deu 10:14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens [is] the LORD'S thy God, the earth [also], with all that therein [is].
Deu 10:15 Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, [even] you above all people, as [it is] this day.
Deu 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
And:
Young's literal.
2Ch 2:4 lo, I am building a house to the name of Jehovah my God, to sanctify [it] to Him, to make perfume before Him, perfume of spices, and a continual arrangement, and burnt-offerings at morning and at evening, at sabbaths, and at new moons, and at appointed seasons of Jehovah our God; to the age this [is] on Israel.
2Ch 2:5 `And the house that I am building [is] great, for greater [is] our God than all gods;
2Ch 2:6 and who doth retain strength to build to Him a house, for the heavens, even the heavens of the heavens, do not contain Him? and who [am] I that I do build to Him a house, except to make perfume before Him?
Allowing the biblcial authors to move from one to the other often unhindered and uninhibated.
All of which however is framed in the concept of "relationship".
The history of eschatology is the historical revelation of God's sovereignty over relationship.
"The worm never dies"
"the smoke of their torments"
"hath never forgiveness"
"those without" (outside)
"example of eternal fire"
"perpetual shame"
And so on, speak of the historical implication of a defined end to a defined identity that could not see God's sovereignty over relationship. It was not yet historically revealed.
Saul however was MADE to see it in on the road to Damascus.
Paul then saw in himself a "pattern" that had not followed the typical "hear and repent" which he had himself had not done with Steven.
The histor
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