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News: TULIP Blooming
Posted on Friday, January 18 @ 18:54:05 PST by Virgil |
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by Ken Walker
The pastor of First Baptist Church in Pauls Valley, Oklahoma, for 27 years, Joe Elam only encountered Calvinism once during his ministry—and it left a bitter taste in his mouth. Though forbidden to do so, a former youth pastor at his church secretly taught predestination to teens, Elam said, sowing seeds of lingering division among several families.
"It was a wake-up call for us," said Elam, who recently led the Arbuckle Baptist Association to adopt a motion calling on the Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma to rebuke Reformed theology. It sent copies of the motion to all members of the Southern Baptist Convention's executive committee.
"We would like to see Southern Baptists become aware that [their] money is being used to teach Calvinism in our seminaries," Elam said.
That secret may already be out. Although only 10 percent of SBC pastors identify themselves as Calvinists, nearly 30 percent of recent seminary graduates do, a groundswell that could spark more Oklahoma-like conflicts. Some of the denomination's leading Reformed thinkers come from Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky, including its president, Al Mohler, and Tom Nettles, coauthor of Baptists and the Bible, a seminal text in the SBC's conservative resurgence.
Long considered more Arminian in orientation—emphasizing an individual's need to respond to the gospel rather than God's election in salvation—the nation's largest Protestant denomination is grappling with doctrines of grace and election amid a seminary-led revival.
Last November, Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, North Carolina, co-hosted a conference entitled "Building Bridges: Southern Baptists and Calvinism," which brought 550 registrants to hear leading SBC figures offer differing assessments of the nascent movement.
Read the rest of the story: http://www.christianitytoday.com/
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Re: TULIP Blooming (Score: 1)
 by Virgil on Friday, January 18 @ 19:02:18 PST
(User Info | Send a Message) | The Baptist Press also did an article on this topic here.
One amazing quote from it:
Drace told the group he currently is working with some young pastors who are "so leaning in this morphed Calvinism that they almost laugh at evangelism. It's almost to the extent that they believe they don't have to do it. So [Calvinism] gives them an excuse not to do evangelism. |
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Re: TULIP Blooming (Score: 1)
 by Kent on Saturday, January 19 @ 12:43:00 PST
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Baptist are going after the youth. Our generation, does not beleive in it, but Baptist are smart. They are working on the next generation.
Read: http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/1997/october6/7tb086.html |
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Re: TULIP Blooming (Score: 1)
by coop on Monday, January 21 @ 10:50:29 PST
(User Info | Send a Message) | The amazing thing to me is that southern baptists are so ignorant of their history. Calvinism is the cornerstone of baptist thought and doctrine. When this issue arose in my particular baptist church and I pointed this out, I was handed a baptist confession of 1963 and told "You better read this". Well, I did read it and guess what. You could not lay Calvinism's doctrines out any better. After pointing that fact out, I was told that I should "Believe as our pastor believed". If the southern baptist convention wants to officially abandon Calvinism, fine. But please don't act as though this is some radical idea being introduced into baptist thought by these renegade seminary professors bent on poisoning our youth. It is not. And one more thing, it is true that Calvinism will stand in the way of constructing mega-churches and I think that is the real issue here.
Cordially,
Mark |
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Re: TULIP Blooming (Score: 1)
by HiPo on Wednesday, January 23 @ 07:06:44 PST
(User Info | Send a Message) | "Though forbidden to do so, a former youth pastor at his church secretly taught predestination to teens, Elam said, sowing seeds of lingering division among several families."
I find the above line very interesting in this context. Apparently there is one preferred interpretation, and no mention of opposing interpretations is allowed. If anyone even mentions an opposing viewpoint, there are seen as guilty of "sowing seeds of ... division."
It seems to me that the real source of division is the oppressive mentality that would squelch any dialog. I'm a little surprised that nobody has remarked on this in a Preterist community.
What do y'all think?
Your brother in Christ,
Harvey
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