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Preterism: Scot McKnight: Keys of the Kingdom in Mark 9:47
Posted on Tuesday, January 15 @ 09:41:32 PST by Virgil |
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Scot writes: "I cannot think the expression “kingdom of God” can ever mean anything other than a set of conditions in which God’s rule is carried out among his people. Kings need people (kingdom) and that involves a society where God is king and God’s people are God’s subjects."
1. Here kingdom refers to a place or a condition into which someone enters. (This could be a “relationship” but this is probably not enough.)
2. The kingdom in this text, by being connected to Gehenna (the symbol of final condemnation), probably refers to something in the future. (E.g., Beasley-Murray, Jesus and the Kingdom of God)
3. Entering into that kingdom is the most important thing in life and anything in one’s way must be hurdled and any load to heavy to shoulder must be discarded.
4. Treatment of children is the moral issue that gives rise to this saying.
5. Kingdom here is nearly synonymous with “life.” So, life and kingdom are in contrast with Gehenna and hell. Hell is a place of unquenchable fire.
6. Now, is this Eternity or Kingdom on earth? The context is not entirely clear. Since “hell” is normally taken to be an eternal condition, many take this to refer to the kingdom of eternity. In which case it would be either millennial earthly manifestation type of condition or an eternal condition.
7. Regardless, whether earthly or eternal (they are in continuity with one another), that kingdom is a society where God’s rule is established. Kingdom here seems to refer to a place or a condition where God’s will is supremely established and practiced.
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Re: Scot McKnight: Keys of the Kingdom in Mark 9:47 (Score: 1)
 by Barry on Thursday, January 17 @ 07:41:03 PST
(User Info | Send a Message) | With all due respect for Scot McKnight, I lovingly differ somewhat in several respects. Unless I have misunderstood, for which I then apologize sincerely.
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1. Here kingdom refers to a place or a condition into which someone enters. (This could be a “relationship” but this is probably not enough.)
End quote.
Barry:
Relationship is everything. There is nothing beyond this. It is relationship that rules!
We do not make Unity, we realize it and accept it. This is the true impact of universal reconciliation. Any thing other than this will never work. Because anything other than this attaches itself to the self defined ego.
This is why in the transition of the ages, they were told to deny themselves and follow Christ. To lose the self defined "soul", or "life" so as to find their "life". That being the God defined image. All of this is ego related.
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2. The kingdom in this text, by being connected to Gehenna (the symbol of final condemnation), probably refers to something in the future. (E.g., Beasley-Murray, Jesus and the Kingdom of God)
4. Treatment of children is the moral issue that gives rise to this saying.
End quote.
It was in the Gehenna valley that innocent children were sacrificed. This contains both a "type" and an "anti type".
To offend one of the little ones becomes a type for the persecution of the "Christians". The ones who had become like a little child.
What would cause this is the binding of the types and figures upon the Christians as if these types were not about to be dissolved.
The anti type is that it would be they who would be sacrificed in the Gehenna valley.
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3. Entering into that kingdom is the most important thing in life and anything in one’s way must be hurdled and any load to heavy to shoulder must be discarded.
End Quote.
Jesus is not describing the ability of one to discard an eye or a foot or a hand but the problem that binding the law as if this would bring one into the kingdom, would bring to the one attempting such.
Paul deals with the same topic in Romans chapter 7 and then the beginning of 8. The problem being "condemnation" that worked through the law in his members.
In Mark 9 this is set over-against the little ones.
Mar 9:36 And he took a child, and set him in the midst of them: and when he had taken him in his arms, he said unto them,
Mar 9:37 Whosoever shall receive ONE OF SUCH CHILDREN in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.
Mar 9:42 And whosoever shall OFFEND ONE OF[these] LITTLE ONES that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
Mar 9:43 And if THY HAND OFFEND THEE thy hand, cut it off:....
This is addressing the paradigm of the ones offending or persecuting the believers. It does not describe how one was to enter the kingdom as an innocent through Christ but the impossibility of entering through the law.
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5. Kingdom here is nearly synonymous with “life.” So, life and kingdom are in contrast with Gehenna and hell. Hell is a place of unquenchable fire.
End Quote.
Gehenna is the verdict of the law in the end of the age.
Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is THE DEVIL; the harvest IS THE END OF THIS WORLD; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the END OF THIS WORLD.
Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom ALL THINGS THAT OFFEND, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
The "worm that never dies", is
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- by Virgil on Thursday, January 17 @ 08:45:32 PST
- by Barry on Thursday, January 17 @ 10:49:42 PST
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