 |
|
|
Here's how you can tell if it's a dream from God or if it's just a dream: If you awake right after that, it's a dream from God, because the Bible says whenever God spoke to His saints through dreams they awakened. They did not stay asleep, they woke up.
-- Benny Hinn, This is Your Day, Trinity Broadcasting Network, March 19, 1997
|
|
| |
''Not Willing That Any Should Perish''
Posted on Sunday, December 02 @ 17:07:02 PST by Virgil |
|
kent submitted: "John Calvin, the brilliant systematic theologian of the Reformation, in explaining Predestination, said: "Predestination we call the eternal decree of God, by which He has determined in Himself, what would have to become of every individual of mankind. For they are not all created with a similar destiny; but eternal life is foreordained for some and eternal death for others. Every man, therefore, being created for one or the other of these ends, we say he is predestinated either to life or to death."1 According to Loraine Boettner, the well-known interpreter of Calvinism, Martin Luther, the father of the Reformation, "was as zealous for absolute predestination as was Calvin."2
To prove his point, Boettner quotes Luther's commentary on Romans, where Luther said: "All things whatever arise from, and depend on, the divine appointment; whereby it was foreordained who should receive the word of life, and who should disbelieve it; who should be delivered from their sins, and who should be hardened in them; and who should be justified and who should be condemned." To further make his point, Boettner even quotes Melanchthon, Calvin's student, who is reported to have said: "All things turn out according to divine predestination; not only the works we do outwardly, but even the thoughts we think inwardly"; and again, "There is no such thing as chance, or fortune; nor is there a readier way to gain the fear of God...than to be thoroughly versed in the doctrine of Predestination." Furthermore, Benjamin B. Warfield, who in the opinion of some Calvinists is the most outstanding Reformed theologian since Calvin himself, makes his belief in absolute predestination very clear. In an article entitled "Predestination," Warfield said that Predestination was "broad enough to embrace the whole universe of things, and minute enough to concern itself with the smallest details, and actualizing itself with inevitable certainty in every event that comes to pass."3
Read more here."
|
| |
|
^^Go to Top -  E-mail to Friend -  Print -  View PDF -  Subscribe -  Comments RSS
Re: ''Not Willing That Any Should Perish'' (Score: 1)
 by rfwitt (hifive@att.net) on Monday, December 03 @ 03:40:17 PST
(User Info | Send a Message) | For an Orthodox view on "Original Sin" go to the site:
http://www.trueorthodoxy.info/con_augustine.shtml
The article is entitled:
Bishop Augustine of Hippo His Life and His Heresies
Richard Wittemann
|
[ To reply to this, please login or register ]
Re: ''Not Willing That Any Should Perish'' (Score: 1)
by MichaelB on Monday, December 03 @ 08:36:45 PST
(User Info | Send a Message) |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=124vIQMRRHI
Youtube presentation on 2 Peter 3 |
[ To reply to this, please login or register ]
- by mazuur on Monday, December 03 @ 09:51:31 PST
- by MichaelB on Monday, December 03 @ 14:59:42 PST
- by mazuur on Tuesday, December 04 @ 03:20:53 PST
Re: ''Not Willing That Any Should Perish'' (Score: 1)
by SuperSoulFighter on Monday, December 03 @ 15:14:52 PST
(User Info | Send a Message) | I agree with Allan Turner's perspective on Calvinism. Truly, John Calvin missed the boat completely, in misapplying a pre-70 AD concept and process implemented by the God of Israel within the limited history of THAT "world" to all mankind for all of human history. Calvin illegitimately universalized the process of election/predestination and thereby cast God's own attributes into a false light.
The Bible clearly and emphatically denies Calvinism. If God is "not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance,"6 then Calvinism simply cannot be true.
I believe Turner misinterpreted and misapplied this text himself, unfortunately, because he failed to consider the context carefully enough.
1 Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us,[a] the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. (2Peter 3:1-9)
Peter was clearly referencing the New Testament saints as the "us" - the "elect" among them in particular. God desired that every one of the "elect" of the pre-70 AD period would be saved (regardless of their personal inclinations and initial response to the gospel). To read anyone else into this text (particularly on a universal basis involving all of mankind) does a great disservice to this text and its context. There are better texts supporting the point Turner is trying to make.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
Verse 12, the most important verse in the passage above, indicates that predestination/election during the Church era and generation had as its focus that founding "chosen generation" and "peculiar people" - the New Testament, pre-70 AD saints.
The process of election came to an end with
Read the rest of this comment... |
[ To reply to this, please login or register ]
- by davo on Tuesday, December 04 @ 03:46:43 PST
- by mazuur on Tuesday, December 04 @ 05:04:35 PST
- by SuperSoulFighter on Tuesday, December 04 @ 12:58:34 PST
- by tom-g on Wednesday, December 05 @ 07:56:07 PST
- by SuperSoulFighter on Wednesday, December 05 @ 13:03:32 PST
- by PreteristAD70 on Wednesday, December 05 @ 12:31:48 PST
- by SuperSoulFighter on Wednesday, December 05 @ 13:10:07 PST
- by PreteristAD70 on Wednesday, December 05 @ 13:12:36 PST
- by mazuur on Wednesday, December 05 @ 14:04:44 PST
- by tom-g on Wednesday, December 05 @ 15:21:54 PST
- by SuperSoulFighter on Wednesday, December 05 @ 23:44:07 PST
- by davo on Thursday, December 06 @ 04:29:33 PST
- by mazuur on Thursday, December 06 @ 06:11:07 PST
- by Starlight on Thursday, December 06 @ 06:54:47 PST
Re: ''Not Willing That Any Should Perish'' (Score: 1)
by tom-g on Tuesday, December 04 @ 17:01:36 PST
(User Info | Send a Message) | It would seem that if reformed theology is correct then the bible is in error and contradictory, since this man has extensively quoted from scriptures that contradict reformed theology.
Tom |
[ To reply to this, please login or register ]
| 
|
