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”I also said that ‘if’ a generation was forty years and ‘if’ the generation of the ‘fig tree’ (Matthew 24:32-34) started with the foundation of the state of Israel, then Jesus ‘might come back by 1988.’ But I put a lot of ifs and maybes in because I knew that no one could be absolutely certain.”
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Posted on Saturday, October 20 @ 14:39:33 PDT by Dale Robinson

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Amillennialism teaches that Israel was cut off at the Cross, i.e., God’s covenant with Old Israel ended in AD 30. So, the argument goes, the events of Matthew 24 were more important to first-century Jews than Christians then or since. This means physical Israel, the city of Jerusalem, the Temple, the Law, etc. were replaced at the Cross or the Resurrection or Pentecost. (While Amils might want to argue over which is the day, a difference of less than two months is not the issue.)

This “cut off” date has the advantage of undercutting Dispensationalism with its insistence on a continuing relationship between God and ethnic Israel. But pragmatism cannot be proof of a doctrine. While I sympathize with Amillennialism’s goal—I believed and taught this very doctrine for years—it’s still not correct. I encountered verses that didn’t seem to fit and finally concluded Israel was not “cut off” at the Cross but in AD 70. I offer the following passages in support:

The Covenant is Key

“This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.” By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear (Hebrews 8:10-13). The Old Covenant hadn’t passed yet (c. AD 68) but soon would. A covenant doesn’t outlast its parties and the Old Covenant’s parties were God and … Old Israel. That means God wasn’t through with Israel at the Cross but at the Judgment. This should be sufficient to demonstrate that physical Israel wasn’t “cut off” in AD 30. While it is not a good idea to hang a doctrine on one verse alone (especially if others contradict), this Scripture does provide the framework for fitting the rest. If they fit, the scheme is probably good.

The Temple

“For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God’s people and members of God's household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joining together and is growing to become a holy temple in the Lord” (Ephesians 2:18-21). The New Temple was not finished at the Cross (or Pentecost) but was being built in the church’s early days. It succeeded Judaism’s Temple when it was destroyed in AD 70.

“The Holy Spirit is signifying this, that the way into the holy place has not yet been disclosed while the outer tabernacle is still standing” (Hebrews 9:8, NASB). Most translations get the tense wrong (wonder why) but New American Standard Bible, noted for literalness, has it right. The way into the Most Holy wasn’t created at the Cross, Matthew 27:51 not withstanding. While the Temple stood, access to God wasn’t complete.

The Law

“The Law is only a shadow of the good things that are almost here—not the realities themselves” (Hebrews 10:1a). Again, the Jewish Law was still in effect—it just didn’t apply to those who had died to it.

Jerusalem and the Land

“For here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is soon to be here” (Hebrews 13:14). Old Jerusalem was covenantally God’s dwelling place until judgment was executed.

“At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, ‘Once more I will shake not only the earth [or Land] but also the heavens.’ The words ‘once more’ indicate the removing of what can be shaken—that is, created things—so that what cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, for our ‘God is a consuming fire’” (Hebrews 12:26-29). The Old “Heavens and Earth” of Judaism hadn’t passed away yet. Early Christians were in the process of receiving the Kingdom.

Present Tenses

“Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant” (Hebrews 7:22). Doesn’t say Jesus was the guarantee but still was guarantying the New Covenant in agreement with Hebrews 8:10-13.

“For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons, and the glory and the covenants and the giving of the Law and the temple service and the promises, whose are the fathers, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen” (Romans 9:3-5). Again, note Paul’s tenses. Jusaism’s position and possessions were a present reality in Paul’s time—between AD 30 and 70.

“For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God’s truth, to confirm the promises made to the patriarchs” (Romans 15:8). Again, present tenses, incomplete action.

Two Parables

Matthew 21:33-46 In the Parable of the Wicked Tenant Farmers, notice that the “tenants” are legally such until “the owner comes.” “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?” “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.” At His coming, He would put them to a wretched death (v.40-41). The chief priests and Pharisees knew He was talking about them (v.45). “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit” (v. 43). They were God’s Landholders/Kingdom citizens until AD 70 when the Land/Kingdom was taken away from them. Why tell this parable unless AD 70 was the time when tenancy changed hands? (Note: the destruction of Old Israel is said to be the time of the Lord’s Coming!)

Matthew 22:1-14 In the Parable of the Son’s Marriage Feast, those originally invited didn’t come and “the king was angry and He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city” (v. 7). Then He invited foreigners in. The time is undeniably AD 70 and the City is Jerusalem, removed from its position as God’s City. It’s a Marriage Feast, the time for the old wife to be replaced by the Bride of Christ. This corresponds to Revelation’s destruction of Babylon.

Wife and Bride

The destruction of Old Jerusalem, naturally enough, is followed by the descent of the New Jerusalem—Revelation 18 and 21. This is probably as good a place as any to mention that I always taught the Marriage of the Church to Christ took place on Pentecost and was surprised to learn Amillennialists did not but held it out as something to look forward to. This was inconsistent to me and should have been a wakeup call. (Christ did not divorce His adulterous wife to “bach” it for two thousand plus years.) Then I noticed Amils also postponed the New Jerusalem. So we’ve had no place to live all this time either!

“I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him” (2 Corinthians 11:2). Paul’s intention proves the Church didn’t become Christ’s wife at Pentecost. Why? Because Israel was still the Wife (Jeremiah 31:32).

In Revelation 19:1-3 the adulterous wife is divorced/killed and replaced by the “Bride of Christ (19:7). The “food” for the wedding celebration is provided by the Battle, placing the wedding at the same time.

It is instructive that Christ’s Apostles (if not our Lord Himself) participated in the Jewish sacrificial system.

Finally, eminent scholar NT Wright has an illuminating comment on Romans 10:6-8. He says Deuteronomy is quoted because “Israel is still suffering the curses of Deuteronomy 29, separated from God and ruled over by foreign nations. Second, God has now provided the way for Israel to return, to be transformed, to be saved. Third, this way consists of God giving to Israel a fresh gift of grace …. Fourth, those who embrace this new way will be marked out in the present as the people whom God will save, vindicate, and declare to be his people in the [near] future” Whether he means to or not, NT Wright is saying Old Israel is still Israel When Paul pens Romans.

I should add that Amillennialists may cut off Israel at the Cross but generally teach a future conversion of their descendants, i.e., the Jews. While some scriptures are quoted, I suspect some sentimentality is creeping in here. But adding this “exception” brings Amillennialists closer to Dispensationalists than they realize. Both say Old Covenant Israel is dropped from God’s plans—for the time being. Of course, Dispensationalism imagines far more than simple conversion in the future but the parallel is there.

I conclude that terminating Old Israel’s relationship with the God of the Covenant in AD 70 is alone consistent with the New Testament’s teachings. And while I didn’t bring it up, the end of the Age at Jerusalem’s destruction should mean the end of everything associated with it. I welcome comments—and more verses!

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Dale Robinson is a columnist for PlanetPreterist.com.

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Re: Israel Between AD 30 and 70 (Score: 1)
by davo on Sunday, October 21 @ 10:38:40 PDT
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“For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God’s truth, to confirm the promises made to the patriarchs” (Romans 15:8).

“I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him” (2 Corinthians 11:2).

Whether he means to or not, NT Wright is saying Old Israel is still Israel When Paul pens Romans.

I conclude that terminating Old Israel’s relationship with the God of the Covenant in AD 70 is alone consistent with the New Testament’s teachings.
I'm inclined to think that to "conclude that terminating Old Israel’s relationship with the God of the Covenant in AD 70 is alone consistent with the New Testament’s teachings " is to actually misconstrue what Jesus, Paul and others have taught. Wright would be right to conclude that "Old Israel is still Israel When Paul pens Romans" – Paul's "Israel of God" i.e., true Israel etc was the first-fruit saints of that transitional period, saints that became inclusive of Gentiles ON BEHALF OF "all Israel" i.e., historic [old] Israel. So far from abandoning the promises of Scripture to fleshly Israel, rather, these were fulfilled through what we call like to call "spiritual Israel" i.e., the first-fruit saints, ON BEHALF OF the greater whole – Israel; the first-fruits being the first portion set apart to sanctify the whole – Christ the first-fruit pioneering the trail for those 'called ones' to follow in kind, i.e., "…that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God’s truth…" and "for all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us [the first-fruit saints]."

What is so often NOT taken into account or seldom realised is that the wedding motif actually has THREE participants involved: the Groom – CHRIST; the Bride – the FIRST-FRUIT saints; and the INVITEES – Old Covenant Israel.

Rev 19:7, 9 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb [Christ] has come, and His wife [the first-fruits] has made herself ready.” …Then he said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are called [Israel] to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’”

Israel was called first to the feast, those that neglected the call forfeited the blessing of it. Those who had scant regard for a kingdom that did not fit their paradigm were primarily the chief priests and Pharisees – those from whom the kingdom [rule] was taken, i.e., the privileged position of being the custodians of the orals and covenants of God etc, the key-holders or authorised ones if you will of the kingdom ON BEHALF OF their brethren; hence the "keys" [authority] then given to Peter etc. Thus "the kingdom" was stripped not so much from Israel as a nation BUT FROM those leaders whom had charge over it ON BEHALF OF the nation:

Mt 21:43-45 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.” Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking of them.

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Obligation to the Law of Moses ended at the Cross of Christ (Score: 1)
by JohnRiffe (prophecyandhistory@heavenlyjerusalem.net) on Saturday, October 20 @ 23:47:10 PDT
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Terry Benton did a fine job of addressing this subject in a recent written debate with one of 30-70 Millennialism's better known proponents, Don Preston. Benton's major arguments are presented here:

http://prophecyandhistory.com/?q=node/207





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Re: Paul Says Jewish Christians Who Follow The LAW Should Cut Off Their Whole Penis (Score: 1)
by chrisliv on Saturday, October 20 @ 16:30:00 PDT
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Well,

I don't buy into the idea, as some Preterists do, that the Old Covenant was still binding on Jewish Christians between 30 and 70 AD, i.e., that they (Jews) had to obey the Old Covenant and the New Covenant, too.

Apostle Paul, who was a Jew, stated, in front of James, recorded in Acts 21:

20 "And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

21 "And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs."

Obviously, the 30-70 AD period was an opportunity for unbelieving Jews to transition to the New Covenant before Jerusalem and the Old Covenant system was destroyed.

But, it seems clear to me that, at the Crucifixion, as the Veil of the Old Covenant Temple was miraculously "rent in twain from top to bottom" that that was the end of the Old Covenant in God's eyes.

Of course, Peter and James seemed to have trouble adjusting to that fact in Jerusalem, and Paul confronted Peter directly, as recorded at Galatians 2:11-14, for being such a chameleon:

11 "But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed."

12 "For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

13 "And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.

14 "But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?"

Paul goes on to say, at Galatians 3:

13 "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 "That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Notice how Paul, a Jew, uses the pronouns "us" and "we" to include himself among the Gentiles in a New Covenantal sense, completely free from the Old Covenant during 30-70 AD.

And Galatians 3:

19 ¶ "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21 "Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 "But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 "But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed."

Christ has been the Mediator of the New Covenant for so-called Jews and Gentiles ever since His Ascension. "Faith came" is a past tense in 30-70 AD, as Paul again uses the "we" pronoun to equate Jews and Gentiles alike, in a covenantal sense.

Or, Galatians 3:

28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 "And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."

Notice at Galtians 6, how Paul talks about the Jewish Christians who were seeking to influence the Gentile Ch

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Re: Israel Between AD 30 and 70 (Score: 1)
by MiddleKnowledge on Saturday, October 20 @ 15:36:56 PDT
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Dale,

Welcome to Planetpreterist! I appreciate your article very much.

The timing is very interesting. I just preached a sermon on this very issue last Sunday titled "The Regeneration." I take a bit of a different approach than you do here, in large part because of the Olive Tree teaching in Romans 11. There is also the issue of the 12 apostles judging the twelve tribes of Israel "when" Christ sat on his glorious throne (Matt. 19:28). I take this as a reference to the ascension. You can see something similar in Matt. 12:27.

Is it possible that it may not be possible to place an exact time on when the transition takes place? My view is that the branches were being cut out continually during the NT and other branches grafted in. This is the process of a gardener tending his garden, rather than any particular instant. Sure the job was completed in A.D. 70, but at this time, I don't see the beginning and completion of the transition at one point in time.

Though my view is not without a few difficulties.

If you are interested in how I laid out these issues check out my recorded sermon, available at:

http://www.truthinliving.org/index.php?pr=SerGRD

It is the most recent one titled "The Regeneration."

Thanks for your work,

Tim Martin
www.truhinliving.org


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