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Preterism: The Prophecies of Daniel: Why They Don’t Point to Us
Posted on Monday, August 27 @ 07:28:56 PDT by Virgil |
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by Gary DeMar
For Hal Lindsey, every news story is a sign that we are living in the “rapture generation.” It wasn’t too long ago that he claimed in his wildly popular prophetic book The Late Great Planet Earth (1970) that the “this generation” of Matthew 24:34 would end sometime before 1988 (1948+40 years=1988). In an interview published in Christianity Today (April 15, 1977), Ward Gasque asked Lindsey: “But what if you’re wrong?” Lindsey replied: “Well, there’s just a split second’s difference between a hero and a bum. I didn’t ask to be a hero, but I guess I have become one in the Christian community. So I accept it. But if I’m wrong about this, I guess I’ll become a bum.”
Well, Lindsey was wrong, and he didn’t become a bum in the eyes of so many Christians who yearn for the “rapture” and catastrophic world events that will mean the death of billions of people. They seem oblivious to the history of failed predictions, including many made by Lindsey. He still writes and sells books on Bible prophecy, reports on prophetic events on his website, and pens a regular column for WorldNetDaily. His latest end-time prediction is that Daniel 12 is referring to events in our day, more than 2600 years from the time the prophecy was given to Daniel. In reality, Lindsey is reading these prophecies through the interpretive lens of today’s newspaper headlines.1
Lindsey begins his exposition by citing the following: “When Daniel emerged from the vision, the angel instructed him, ‘But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase’” (Dan. 12:4). He then adds: “The prophecies of Daniel were indeed ‘sealed’ for centuries following the Reformation.”
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Re: The Prophecies of Daniel: Why They Don’t Point to Us (Score: 1)
 by Windpressor (Giddi_one) on Wednesday, August 29 @ 02:11:17 PDT
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Well, I watch "The Hal Lindsey Report" on TBN several days after recording. I usually glean a few nuggets of info sifted from his interpretive bias. I even got a couple ideas from Haley's Hints on PBS also. That tape is old so I can record over.
When Lindsey reported on the huge industrial plumes drifting from China's coal burning, I tuned my attention in. The plumes are high altitude 300 sq. mi. by 6 mi deep. They cool by absorbing solar heating rays. While the cooling reduces Pacific temps, it also temporarily masks the effects of warming because the particulates' heat is cumulative and later released into the climate.
The Hal Lindsey Report - 0727-07 - The Hal Lindsey Report
That reminded me of NOVA | Dimming the Sun | PBS which demonstrated how pollution has masked global warming. Awhile back, Limbaugh derided the idea and allowed as to how environmentalists are in a quandary because too much clarity in the atmosphere from clean air activism will let more solar heating through.
The dimming sun phenomenon may very well be worth considering on its own terms without Lindsey's application of the scorching sun from Revelation 16:8.
Then there was the two hundred million man army East Asia. No wait, what was that about two hundred million "horsemen"?
(Rev 9: 13-17) Lindsey does not want to attribute the numerics to a transcribing anomaly, hyperbolic expression, or referential to the spirit realm. His literal interpretation of fielding a 200M army seems vaguely plausible due to population capacities. What about the logistics? Then we have some manner of equine support to factor in?
Did somebody say waitaminit?
G1
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Lindsey and Henry Morris! (Score: 1)
 by MiddleKnowledge on Monday, August 27 @ 16:55:52 PDT
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I recognize that methodology. From Henry Morris, "Creation and the Second Coming," 1991, p. 20-22.
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"Instead, we are being told that, near the time of the end, people in large numbers would be "running" -- not merely "traveling," but (literally) "racing" -- from one location to another and back again. At any rate, it is profoundly true that travel and speed have increased in our times to a degree that could never have been predicted at all except by supernatural inspiration. In Isaac Newton's day-- no less than in Daniel's day -- about the fastest a man could travel would be on a swift horse. But Newton, who was probably the greatest scientist of all time, as well as a diligent student and believer of Daniel's prophecies, claimed on the basis of this verse that men would someday be able to travel as fast as 50 miles per hour, even from country to country. A century later, Voltaire, the French anti-Christian Deist, ridiculed this statement, suggesting that Newton's Christianity had affected his reason.
The fact is that the scientific era which Newton, as much as any one man, introduced, has seen -- just in the past century or little more -- invention of the steam locomotive, then the automobile, then the airplane, now the space-ship hurtling through space at incredible speeds. This prophecy could hardly have been fulfilled more explicitly than it is now being fulfilled in this "time of the end."
The other half of the prophecy -- "knowledge shall be increased" -- could well be translated "science shall be increased," for the two words are synonymous in meaning and derivation. The scientific and technological advances in just the past generation are legion -- radio, television, electrical appliances to do almost everything, super-highways, nuclear power, computers, automation, radar, plastics, microchips, robots, and on and on. Less than two centuries ago, all the scientists in the world probably could have convened in one large auditorium; now there are millions of them, working in hundreds of scientific disciplines....
It is noteworthy that the explosive advance in both true science and the numbers of scientists committed in their philosophy (if not their practice!) to false science are both given in Scripture as signs of the last days."
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This is the methodology of biblical interpretation out of which sprang the modern young-earth creationist movement. Morris reads Genesis the same way he reads biblical prophecy -- as a "scientific" description of global events and cataclysms. The Genesis flood must be global, in Morris' mind, because it is symmetrical to the global Great Tribulation that he believed would happen in his lifetime.
Henry Morris, (RIP). Another one that was wrong -- on both sides of the Bible.
Why would preterists, who have figured out they have been duped by Lindsey, et.al, and futurism in regard to prophecy, want to continue to be duped by Morris, et. al, in regard to Genesis?
Do you really think Morris got it right about what Genesis teaches, given his dispensational method of reading Scripture?
Blessings,
Tim Martin
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Re: The Prophecies of Daniel: Why They Don’t Point to Us (Score: 1)
by Islamaphobe on Monday, August 27 @ 08:30:17 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | By diverting attention from what the prophecies of Daniel actually foretell, religious hucksters like Hal Lindsey have done a good deal of harm to Christianity. It doesn't compare to the harm they have done by messing with Revelation, but it has been considerable. Some years ago, the late Gleason Archer, Jr. correctly observed: "liberal scholars . . . consider the Maccabean date of Daniel one of the most assured results of modern scholarship." Because they insist on second-century BC authorship for Daniel, our "mainstream" establishment in biblical scholarship generally denies the authentic character of Daniel's prophecies, though some of its members try to sneak in some value for Daniel by invoking the secondary fulfillment technique. To a large extent, it is the absurdity of the work done by people like Lindsey that allows mainstream scholars to avoid the critical scrutiny of their treatment of Daniel that should have been directed their way.
John S. Evans
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