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News: Legal Status of Catholic Church in Spain Threatened
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By Matthew Cullinan Hoffman
Spain, August, 10, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The eminent socialist Gregorio Peces-Barba Martínez, one of the authors of the current Spanish national constitution, made headlines in Spain Wednesday when he threatened the Catholic Church with a "new status" in Spanish society if it didn't stop attacking his new "Education for Citizenship and Human Rights" program for Spanish public schools.
"Education for Citizenship", which purports to instruct students in matters of ethics, is in reality a vaguely-worded program that seeks to indoctrinate children with the sexual ideology and social agenda of the Spanish left, including the acceptance of homosexuality. The program's stated goals include teaching children to reject "existing discrimination for reason of sex, origin, social differences, affective-sexual, or whatever other type" and to exercise a "critical evaluation of the social and sexual division of labor and racist, xenophobic, sexist, and homophobic social prejudices."
Under the heading of "key concepts" for instructing junior high school students, the program lists masculine and feminine identity and states that this would also be a "good moment to revise the students' attitude to homosexuality". The program also suggests that "a good exercise is to make a list of every type of disrespectful expression referring to foreigners, people of other races, homosexuals, etc., and open a dialog over how they are used in daily life and if they are or are not disrespectful." The program will be mandatory for all students in public elementary and junior high schools.
The Spanish Catholic bishops have responded with condemnations of the program, including an official statement that says that the program "implies a serious wound to the original and inalienable right of parents and schools, in collaboration with them, to choose the moral formation that they want for their children. This is a right recognized by the Spanish Constitution (article 27.3). The government cannot supplant the society as an educator of the moral conscience." It goes on to state that "the educational centers of the government, losing their obligatory ideological neutrality, will impose on whomever has chosen the Catholic religion and morality another moral formation that hasn't been chosen by them."
The archbishop of Madrid, Antonio María Rouco Varela, later clarified that "no one rejects the idea of having an obligatory course on citizenship, which is good," but added that "the concrete form" in which the government has developed the course "is an ethical-moral educational program that negates religion". Bishop Varela has left open the possibility of appealing to the Constitutional Court of Spain to negate the law.
In his opinion article, published in the Spanish socialist newspaper "El Pais", Peces-Barba expressed outrage at the bishops' opposition to his plan, accusing them of "an extreme arrogance, a sensation of impunity and an insufferable sense of superiority, derived from the fact that they administer 'superior truths'" and claims that they have "spent years defying the legitimate authorities, the Constitution and the law, attempting to impose their criteria before the common good and the popular sovereignty residing in the Parliament."
The bishops, complained Peces-Barba, "assume a tradtional anti-modern and clerical culture that is opposed to many legal conclusions of the democratic Government, and that it intends to sell as the truth that sets us free. Now it is Education for Citizenship, before it was divorce, abortion, the teaching of religion, and homosexual marriage."
Although the bishops' objections are based on the fact that the program will be imposed on Catholic children contrary to the will of the parents, Peces-Barba accused them of "harassing those who are heterodox" and "showing disrespect for individual consciences". "They cannot nor should they continue down this road, nor pull so hard on the rope", warned Peces-Barba. "They are responsible for the agitation that impedes social peace and are belligerent against the policy of the government and against any progress."
The socialist added that the Catholic Church must back down from criticism of its plan or suffer consequences. "If this new climate is not obtained in the next legislature," he wrote, "it will be necessary to address the topic of the actions and situation of the Church and establish a new status, that puts them in their place and that respects the autonomy of the civil authority."
The warning, made in the Spanish socialist newspaper "El Pais", followed on the heels of a speech by Spanish President Emelio Zapatero on July 22, who said, in defence of the Education for Citizenship program that, "no faith can impose itself on the law", a statement understood as a reference to the Church, and subsequently cited by Peces-Barba in his article. According to Spanish media sources, the ruling socialists are eager to make changes to the existing legal status of the Catholic Church in that country.
Peces-Barba's statements are considered significant because of his influence in Spain's government, and his membership in the country's powerful socialist movement, which is currently dominant at the national level. Peces-Barba was one of the authors of Spain's constitution, and is Professor of Legal Philosophy at the Carlos III University in Madrid. He is also the former high commissioner for Victims of Terrorism in Spain and an author of the "Education for Citizenship and Human Rights" course program.
Source: LifeSiteNews.com
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Re: Legal Status of Catholic Church in Spain Threatened (Score: 1)
by chrisliv on Saturday, August 11 @ 10:39:05 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | Sure,
"Legal status" threatened! Very Good.
Just like the North American state-incorporated, federally-regulated religious organizations who are usually compliant little lap dogs of the State, because they get property tax exemptions and other benefits, the State will ultimately chastise or shut down those things which threaten the public policy of the State, or its federal auxiliary.
Caesar is Lord over every State corporation, even the not-for-(so-called) profit ones known as churches.
For 300 years The Body of Christ was Separate from The Body of the State, until it became a State corporation under Caesar Constantine, via the Clergy's acceptance of the Edict of Milan in 313 AD and their then directing "Christians" to then begin to kill the enemies of Caesar (those not wanting to be dominated by foreigners) as State soldiers on the many battlefields.
You see, "legal status" and exemptions corrupted the Church.
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Re: Legal Status of Catholic Church in Spain Threatened (Score: 1)
by Islamaphobe on Saturday, August 11 @ 14:10:12 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | I am no fan of the Catholic Church in Spain, but I have nothing but contempt for Spanish socialists, who have a record of intemperate anti-clericalism that goes a long way back. I recall all-too-well visiting a cemetery overlooking the Mediterranean in April 1956 where many of the headstones showed that people died on the same date because they were massacred by local Marxists and anarchists. Their crime was that they were practicing Christians. Yes, I know, the Nationalist side committed atrocities also, but the Spanish Republicans have gotten the better "press" because of the leftist bias in the media and among the scholarly elite.
I strongly sympathize with Spanish Catholics and other Christians--and there are some--who want to protect their children from the consequences of having the system of education taken over by secular socialists.
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The Infallibility of the Church (Score: 1)
by Ed on Tuesday, August 14 @ 16:33:22 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | As much as I appreciate all that the Catholic Church has done in history; e.g., the building of hospitals and orphanages, I must say that my biggest objection to the dogma of the Church (and my friend Parker's claims of infallibility of the Church) is highlighted with floodlights by this discussion.
Parker, you rightly defend the Church by showing that there are just as many Protestant pastors who abuse the children of their flocks. To this, I will offer no rebuttal. I will not at all try to claim that the Catholic Church is deficient due to the unfortunate sexual abuse that occurred within her ranks.
What I will offer as something to ponder is that many times I have been reminded by you that the Catholic Church is the ONE CHURCH and now, you prove her "purity" by comparing her to protestants. How is it that the ONE TRUE BODY OF CHRIST has equal purity to those of us in rebellion to the Pope? Where is the claim to purity if your only defense is that you are not any better than protestants?
In addition, it must be pointed out that "ordination to holy orders" in no way makes a man immune from gross immoral sin. The claims to apostolic succession fail the test when we have bishops who are power hungry, or priests who are perverts. What is it that makes our beloved Catholic Church any more "apostolic" when some of her ordinations are nothing more than "baptized sexual abuse"?
Please understand Parker that I do not hold the anomosity towards the Catholic brothers that many evangelicals (and preterists) do. I hope you know that. My only objection has always been its claims to exclusivity. Power has always been a corrupting force within the Christian Church, even as far back as apostolic times. I am in no way condemning the Roman Church. I am asking for peace amongst brothers and sisters - so that we never exclude the other from the Grace of our Gracious and Merciful God.
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Re: Legal Status of Catholic Church in Spain Threatened (Score: 1)
by rfwitt (hifive@att.net) on Monday, August 13 @ 18:59:47 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | For those who might be interested in further study on the topic of Original Sin I offer the two links below.
The first is entitled “Are men born sinners? The myth of Original Sin”
The second is entitled “History of the doctrine of Original Sin”
http://www.gospeltruth.net/menbornsinners/mbsindex.htm
http://www.twtministries.com/articles/11_born_sin/historysin.html
Richard Wittemann……………
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Re: Legal Status of Catholic Church in Spain Threatened (Score: 1)
by rfwitt (hifive@att.net) on Monday, August 13 @ 05:15:27 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | The “World” or “State” is not the problem - the problem for Christians lies elsewhere. Unfortunately, many Christians have a “sectarian spirit”. When Parker says “Church” he means the Roman Catholic Church. He’s not alone - every denomination exhibits that same spirit. It’s our way or the highway. As we have seen in the teaching on Eschatology there is much work that needs to be done in many areas of doctrine. Unfortunately this can not be done in the context of the existing church structure as those Christians who disagree with the churches core doctrines find out. “Mere Christianity” is what C.S. Lewis called those teachings that unite Christians. The “sectarians” insist otherwise. So far as a united front is concerned forget about it. Until the sectarian spirit (1 Cor. 1: 11,12) is vanquished from Christianity we will go on in the same mode. The “salt” has lost its saltiness. (guess what it’s good for?)
Richard Wittemann…………..
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