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"In the 38th chapter of Ezekiel, it says that the land of Israel will come under attack by the armies of the ungodly nations, and it says that Lybia will be among them. Do you understand the significance of that? Lybia has now gone communist, and that's a sign that the day of Armageddon isn't far off."
-- Ronald Reagan
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Preterism: "Dr. Armageddon" and the Future of Israel
Posted on Tuesday, July 31 @ 07:58:04 PDT by Virgil |
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by Gary DeMar
John Hagee’s “Christians United for Israel” held its annual meeting in Washington, D.C., last month (July 2007). Supporters of CUFI are looking forward to Armageddon. Of course, they believe they won’t be around to experience it. God will finally fulfill his covenant promises to Israel, but not until He wipes out millions of Jews and billions of others around the world in one final judgment.
No wonder an increasing number of people fear “Dr. Armageddon” and his millions of followers. Could their political clout push us toward an all-out Mideast war? There are Jews who support Hagee and CUFI, but I bet they don’t know the whole story.
John Walvoord writes that these supposed future judgments will be “without parallel in the history of the world. According to Revelation 6:7 the judgments attending the opening of the fourth seal involve the death with sword, famine, and wild beasts of one fourth of the world’s population. If this were applied to the present world population now approaching three billion, it would mean that 750,000,000 people would perish, more than the total population of North America, Central America, and South America combined.”1
Hal Lindsey supports Walvoord’s position, affirming that during the “great tribulation” there will be “death on a massive scale. It staggers the imagination to realize that one-fourth of the world’s population will be destroyed within a matter of days. According to projected census figures this will amount to nearly one billion people!”2 Of course, with the latest census figures (6.6 billion), with the dispensational view in mind, about 1.65 billion people will die. Not only does the world come in for a beating under the dispensational hermeneutic, but Israel is specifically hit hard. Walvoord, with his view of a future post-rapture “great tribulation,” must claim that a large number of Jews living in Israel will be slaughtered. He writes:
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A great video on CUFI (Score: 1)
 by UncleJesse on Tuesday, July 31 @ 08:11:35 PDT
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Lots of funny quotes about the future of Israel.
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Re: are stats off? (Score: 1)
 by Mick on Tuesday, July 31 @ 10:31:55 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | I recall a few years ago we "celebrated" the birth of the 6 billionth person on the earth with an official designation by then U.N. chief Mr. Anon. if that is true then the number destroyed by the "Wrath of God" would be 1.5 billion.
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- by Mick on Tuesday, July 31 @ 10:33:49 PDT
Re: Good One By DeMar (Score: 1)
 by chrisliv on Tuesday, July 31 @ 14:01:43 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Yeah,
A succinct article by DeMar, that shows from the non-figurative statements of our Lord, that all was prophecy was to be fulfilled in the 1st Century AD.
Sad, how most state-incorporated preachers are promoting what now seems like mental illness and genocidal promotion nearly 2000 years after the fact. I mean, I think we have all seen how giddy many of these Dispensationalists are at their speculation of how soon the fanatic sects of Israeli Jews will destroy the Dome of the Rock Mosque (which has stood over the old Temple site since 685 AD), in order to build a Third Temple and offer animal sacrifices, once more.
That's what is being promoted by Hagee and CUFI, with money garnered by mindless churchgoers.
There's a pretty good, new Uri Avnery article contrasting Neocons VS Humanists, entitled "A Warning to Tony".
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1185656870/
It sums up the demographic reality that lies ahead for the racist Israeli regime. You have to read down about half way through to get to it. I'll paste a clip below.
Peace to you all,
C. Livingstone
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"...In the eyes of Wolfensohn, both sides are to blame for the current situation, but he clearly blames Israel more, since it is the stronger and more active party. No doubt, Israel is very important for him. He had a lot of sympathy for it (In World War I, his father was a soldier in the Jewish battalions which were set up by the British army and sent to Palestine.) He gave the interview to the Israeli paper in order to voice a severe warning: time is not working for us. The demographic clock is ticking. Today, Israel is surrounded by some 350 million Arabs. In another 15 years, it will be surrounded by 700 million. "I don't see any argument that supports the idea the Israel's situation will get better."
As an expert on the global economy, with a world-wide perspective, Wolfensohn could also point out that the importance of the US in the world economy is gradually declining, with new giants like China and India rising.
We, the Israelis, like to think that we are the center of the world. Wolfensohn, a person with a world-wide outreach, sticks a pin into this egocentric balloon. Already now, he says, only the West considers the Israeli-Palestinian issue so important. Most of the world is indifferent. "I have visited more than 140 countries: you are not such a big deal there."
Even this limited interest will also evaporate. Wolfensohn rubs salt into the wound: "A moment will come when the Israelis and the Palestinians will be compelled to understand that they are a secondary performance … The Israelis and the Palestinians must get rid of the idea that they are a Broadway performance. They are only a play in the Village. Off-off-off-off-off Broadway." Knowing that this is the worst one can tell an Israeli, he adds: "I hope that I am not getting into trouble by saying this, but, what the hell, that's what I believe, and I am already 73 years old."
I do believe him - and I, what the hell, am already 83.
THE METAPHOR from the world of theater looks to me even more apt that Wolfensohn himself imagines..."
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Re: (Score: 1)
by rfwitt (hifive@att.net) on Wednesday, August 01 @ 03:18:27 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Gary makes the following comment in his article,
"There are Jews who support Hagee and CUFI, but I bet they don’t know the whole story."
Actually many of them are familiar with the broad outline of dispensationalism. They (the Jews)look upon them (dispensationalist) as a bunch of wackos but they accept their money and support for Israel.
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Re: Blame Carter Too (Score: 1)
 by Windpressor (Giddi_one) on Sunday, August 05 @ 23:37:46 PDT
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Maybe blame Carter too.
A May article in Slate responded to Jimmy Carter's diversionary reflection that the Bush administration's provocations of worldwide antipathy have "... been the worst in history." --
The latest absurdities to emerge from Jimmy Carter's big, smug mouth. - By Christopher Hitchens - Slate Magazine
Posted Monday, May 21, 2007, at 11:35 AM ET
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Excerpts from a short 7 paragraph post:
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"... Leave aside Carter's newfound admiration for Ronald Reagan, ... and just concentrate for a moment on what he says about George Bush Sr. What did he say at the time? Many people in retrospect think Bush did a good job in assembling a large multinational coalition, under U.N. auspices, for the emancipation of Kuwait from Iraqi occupation. But Jimmy Carter used his prestige, at that uneasy moment, to make an open appeal to all governments not to join that coalition. He went public to oppose the settled policy of Congress and the declared resolutions of the United Nations and to denounce his own country as the warmonger. And, after all, why not? It was he who had created the conditions for the Gulf crisis in the first place—initially by fawning on the shah of Iran and then, when that option collapsed, by encouraging Saddam Hussein to invade Iran and by 'tilting' American policy to his side. If I had done such a thing, I would take very good care to be modest when discussions of Middle Eastern crises came up. But here's the thing about self-righteous, born-again demagogues: Nothing they ever do, or did, can be attributed to anything but the very highest motives."
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"... His combination of naivete and cynicism—from open-mouthed shock at Leonid Brezhnev's occupation of Afghanistan to underhanded support for Saddam in his unsleeping campaign of megalomania—had terrible consequences that are with us still. It's hardly an exaggeration to say that every administration since has had to deal with the chaotic legacy of Carter's mind-boggling cowardice and incompetence."
"... He also went on the British Broadcasting Corporation to make spiteful and cheap remarks on the retirement of Prime Minister Tony Blair, calling him 'loyal, blind, apparently subservient.' Yes, that's right, Mr. Carter. Just the way to make friends and assert 'America's basic values.' Show us your peanut envy. Heap insults on a guest in Washington: a thrice-elected prime minister who was the first and strongest ally of the United States on the most awful day in its recent history. A man who was prepared to risk his own career to be counted as a friend. ..."
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