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"'In a few moments you will be led to the central building, where you will tell the staff whether you want your loyalty mark on your forehead or your right hand. The area you choose will then be disinfected with an alcohol solution. When it is your turn, you will enter a cubicle, where you will sit and be injected with a biochip, while simultaneously tattooed with the prefix 216, which identifies you as a citizen of the United Carpathian States. The application takes just seconds.'"
-- (Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins, The Mark: The Beast Rules the World, 2000, p. 285)
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Preterism: The New Creation: A Theology of Mercy
Posted on Monday, July 23 @ 10:49:33 PDT by John |
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The MP3/Audio presentations from the New Creation Ministries conferece are now available online, together with the Power Point slides and presentations used by the speakers. You can download the presentations by Shannon Shogren, Timothy King, Ward Fenley, John Hedges, Timothy Martin and Tami Jelinek.
Click here to view and download the NCMI presentations
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Re: The New Creation: A Theology of Mercy (Score: 1)
 by JL (j.l.preterist@gmail.com) on Monday, July 23 @ 13:45:52 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Tim's first is a repeat of his first at TV a few months back. His second is new stuff. Tim's Power Point slides with notes (script) are available from j.l.preterist@gmail.com
Enjoy
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Re: The New Creation: A Theology of Mercy (Score: 1)
 by Ed on Monday, July 23 @ 18:31:55 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | I was there. It was awesome. The fellowship was sweet, which pisses a lot of folks off, I'm sure.
ed
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Re: The New Creation: A Theology of Mercy (Score: 1)
 by Life14all on Monday, July 23 @ 19:49:31 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Hey Guys,
First of all, thanks Tami for forgiving Mr. Wagner and Mr. Robbins for crashing your speaker dinner :-) I told them I was invited but they insisted on tagging along :-)
I also just want to say something publicly here about Mr. Burley. Ed you are an incredibly kind human being. I love you brother not because of anything you have ever written here or anywhere else but because I know God has done an incredible work in your life. You are a living testament as a father and a man after God's own heart.
All the speakers were inspiring and very honest and sincere. John and Rene, it was nice getting to meet you and your niece. Ward, Tim King, Sharon, thanks for the inspiration. You never know what crazy ideas you have inspired until you see me draw them:-)
Well I'm starting to hear that music where they want you off the stage so be blessed you guys and I look forward to seeing you all again someday soon.
Come on people!!!! A conference titled "A Theology of Mercy" has to be good.
but, where was the kegs, the gossip, the free love, hippie fellowship............ ;-)
Blessings,
Jim Kessler
btw...I would recommend downloading all the messages especially Tim Martin's presentations because (although you can't see it) he has some great artwork that goes along with them :-)(shameless plug)
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Re: The New Creation: A Theology of Mercy (Score: 1)
 by MiddleKnowledge on Tuesday, July 24 @ 05:59:58 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Thanks, Tami, for all the work you've done to make this all available online. The entire conference was a real blessing to Micaiah and me. Now it looks like you will share that blessing with many more.
That is kingdom living.
In Christ,
Tim Martin
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Re: The New Creation: A Theology of Mercy (Score: 1)
by Basementman on Tuesday, July 24 @ 08:06:48 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | I was there also and I had a great time. Thanks guys for putting this on in my side of town.
Thanks for the dinner also.
Tony Pomales |
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The Prophetic Creation unveiled (Score: 1)
by Starlight on Tuesday, July 24 @ 12:38:12 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | I thought that some might like to have a shortened taste of Tim’s and JL’s presentation concerning “The Prophetic Creation”
I have copied an excerpt of some of their presentation here to provide a glimpse of how a covenant and preterist understanding portrays the continuity throughout the scriptures. This also begins to illustrate how the Jews would have been viewing Genesis and the entiriety of scripture and not how moderns are inclined to read it.
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Tim and JL ... “What I will do with the rest of this session is walk you through key points in the first few chapters of Genesis as a demonstration that creation can be read covenantally, rather than literally and biologically. Again, I do believe there are physical events and people which underlie the creation texts, but if the text is prophetic in nature, then it was never intended to communicate chronological, scientific or biological detail.
The problem of a “literal” or scientific reading of creation is evident when we look at the structure of the creation week in Genesis 1. Notice that there are internal parallels within the creation week. Days 1-3 match Days 4-6. The light and darkness of day one corresponds to the Sun, moon and stars of Day 4. The creation of the sky and waters on Day 2 correspond to the creation of birds and fish of Day 5. The creation of land and vegetation on Day 3 corresponds to the creation of animals and man on Day 6. There is a curious repetition going on here which hints that the author is not presenting a chronological, scientific record of God’s creation of the physical universe. The strangeness of that approach is evident in that we have light created three days before the sun, and plants and vegetation created before there is such a thing as sun, moon or stars. Is that the point the writer of Genesis is getting at?
But what if the creation week is prophetic? In that case it would be using images of the physical world to teach about God’s covenant works.
The contemplative reader would learn important redemptive theme at the beginning of the Bible. The creation week is ordered this way to set the pattern of forming and filling. That which God creates, he recreates. That which God forms, he fills. We might say that the parallel is a symbolic model of covenant history to come: Old Covenant, New Covenant.
There is a sense that all covenant history is prophetically bound up in the creation week. Days 1-3 foreshadow the first creation or Old Covenant which came with glory. Days 4-6 foreshadow the New Creation which comes with surpassing glory. Light created in general on Day 1 becomes light in the full glory of the Sun, Moon and Stars on Day 4. The sky above and waters below created in general on Day 2 become the sky teeming with birds and the waters teeming with fish on Day 5. The land created in general on Day 3 becomes filled with creatures, ultimately man, as the crowning accomplishment of God’s handiwork on Day 6. Creation and recreation. Forming and filling. Old Covenant, new Covenant. Then comes Day 7: rest. And there is something very special about Day 7; it has no mention of an evening or morning, signifying God’s eternal rest which believers enter into through Jesus Christ. The Sabbath is prophetic of salvation. Isn’t that what Hebrews 4 tells us?
Even the order of evening and morning is prophetic in the creation week. Have you ever wondered why night comes first, then day in the creation account. It’s about covenant. First comes night, then comes the day. Sound familiar? David Chilton drew the prophetic parallel, without quite realizing the implications, when he wrote: “Relatively speaking, the whole history of the world from Adam’s Fall to Christ’s Ascension was Night; relatively speaking, the whole future of the world is bright Day. This follows the pattern laid down at the creation, in which the heavens and earth move eschatologically from evening to morning, th
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Re: The New Creation: A Theology of Mercy (Score: 1)
 by Flakinde on Friday, July 27 @ 06:16:59 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | I also want to quickly thank the NCMI folks for making this available free of charge. That's the spirit! No sane reason to import the "pay me first" idea into Preterist efforts.
The way my life is, it is not so easy for me to jet out anywhere for conference, but your offering, plus the testimonies of those who attendended, does really inspire me to make it there whenever I can.
Blessed,
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