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News: Pope: Other denominations not true churches
Posted on Friday, July 13 @ 19:54:48 PDT by Virgil

Church LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy - Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches.

Benedict approved a document from his old offices at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that restates church teaching on relations with other Christians. It was the second time in a week the pope has corrected what he says are erroneous interpretations of the Second Vatican Council, the 1962-65 meetings that modernized the church.

On Saturday, Benedict revisited another key aspect of Vatican II by reviving the old Latin Mass. Traditional Catholics cheered the move, but more liberal ones called it a step back from Vatican II.

Benedict, who attended Vatican II as a young theologian, has long complained about what he considers the erroneous interpretation of the council by liberals, saying it was not a break from the past but rather a renewal of church tradition.

In the latest document — formulated as five questions and answers — the Vatican seeks to set the record straight on Vatican II’s ecumenical intent, saying some contemporary theological interpretation had been “erroneous or ambiguous” and had prompted confusion and doubt.

It restates key sections of a 2000 document the pope wrote when he was prefect of the congregation, “Dominus Iesus,” which set off a firestorm of criticism among Protestant and other Christian denominations because it said they were not true churches but merely ecclesial communities and therefore did not have the “means of salvation.”

In the new document and an accompanying commentary, which were released as the pope vacations here in Italy’s Dolomite mountains, the Vatican repeated that position.

“Christ ‘established here on earth’ only one church,” the document said. The other communities “cannot be called ‘churches’ in the proper sense” because they do not have apostolic succession — the ability to trace their bishops back to Christ’s original apostles.

‘Identity of the Catholic faith’

The Rev. Sara MacVane of the Anglican Centre in Rome, said there was nothing new in the document.

“I don’t know what motivated it at this time,” she said. “But it’s important always to point out that there’s the official position and there’s the huge amount of friendship and fellowship and worshipping together that goes on at all levels, certainly between Anglican and Catholics and all the other groups and Catholics.”

The document said Orthodox churches were indeed “churches” because they have apostolic succession and that they enjoyed “many elements of sanctification and of truth.” But it said they lack something because they do not recognize the primacy of the pope — a defect, or a “wound” that harmed them, it said.

“This is obviously not compatible with the doctrine of primacy which, according to the Catholic faith, is an ‘internal constitutive principle’ of the very existence of a particular church,” the commentary said.

Despite the harsh tone of the document, it stresses that Benedict remains committed to ecumenical dialogue.

“However, if such dialogue is to be truly constructive, it must involve not just the mutual openness of the participants but also fidelity to the identity of the Catholic faith,” the commentary said.

‘Not backtracking on ecumenical commitment’

The document, signed by the congregation prefect, U.S. Cardinal William Levada, was approved by Benedict on June 29, the feast of Sts. Peter and Paul — a major ecumenical feast day.

There was no indication about why the pope felt it necessary to release the document, particularly since his 2000 document summed up the same principles. Some analysts suggested it could be a question of internal church politics, or that it could simply be an indication of Benedict using his office as pope to again stress key doctrinal issues from his time at the congregation.

Father Augustine Di Noia, undersecretary for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, said the document did not alter the commitment for ecumenical dialogue, but aimed to assert Catholic identity in those talks.

“The Church is not backtracking on ecumenical commitment,” Di Noia told Vatican radio.

“But, as you know, it is fundamental to any kind of dialogue that the participants are clear about their own identity. That is, dialogue cannot be an occasion to accommodate or soften what you actually understand yourself to be.”


 
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Re: Pope: Other denominations not true churches (Score: 1)
by Sam on Friday, July 13 @ 23:00:15 PDT
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I'd be interested to see Parker's comments.

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Re: Pope: Other denominations not true churches (Score: 1)
by Parker on Saturday, July 14 @ 15:40:24 PDT
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Jesus founded *one* Church only, and that one congregation was created in the first century AD. Since the Catholic congregation alone dates back to Jesus and the apostles in the first century, only the catholics have a legitimate claim to be that one congregation. Not a single protestant congregation dates back before about 1500AD--so, it's impossible for any protestant group to claim to have been with Jesus or his apostles in real history. Only the catholics were there with them and thus hold this unique distinction.

Obviously, the Eastern Orthodox are catholics--we both date back to Jesus and the apostles, and all our current bishops are ordained direct successors of an unbroken line of bishops going back to the apostles. Protestant groups don't have apostolic succession. Again, the one congregation Jesus started was of first-century origin, and no protestant congregation has any historic connection to that.

Having said this, neither the Pope nor the Catholic Church teaches that non-Catholic christians are outside of Christ's process of sanctification and salvation. To the contrary, the Catholic Church explicitly teaches that non-Catholic christians are brothers and sisters in Christ. Period. We should be working together and praying together in every way we can for the common good of all people as we seek to unite back as one body, even as Jesus prayed (John 17:20-21). Denominationalism is nowhere accepted in the N.T., but is called "schism."


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Re: Pope: Other denominations not true churches (Score: 1)
by Islamaphobe on Saturday, July 14 @ 19:12:51 PDT
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There was an interesting article in today's Wall Street Journal (7/14/07) that indicates that Christianity is beginning to make a comeback in Europe. The article was posted from Stockholm and focused on Sweden, where church attendance is apparently about as low as it can get. The number of people attending evangelical Protestant churches (but not the state church) in Sweden is small but is growing rapidly in percentage terms, especially among the young. After suggesting disillusionment with the welfare state and the negative reaction to Islam as two factors, the author suggested that another factor at work is the religious equivalent of supply-side economics. As an unreformed supply-side economist, that got my attention. I think the argument has merit. As an authority on this the author mentioned Rodney Stark, a professor at Baylor and author of The Victory of Reason.

The theory runs as follows. The conjoining of church and state in Europe ultimately undermined religious belief wherever it occurred, which was almost everywhere in Europe. Apparent exceptions, of which Polish Catholicism is a prime example, were more a result of the Church being seen as an opponent of communist governments and a defender of national identity than relilgious fervor. The evangelical Protestant churches that appear to be having some success in Europe are not affiliated with the state, and therein lies their appeal and their promise. Very importantly, they are freer to explore the Bible without being under state-sanctioned authority to shape their understanding of it to conform to the official viewpoint.

To my mind, a BIG problem with Roman Catholicism and a big problem with state churches that identify with Lutheranism or some other form of Protestantism, is that they have functioned historically as near-monopolies. As a former economist, I fear monopoly power, whether it be exerted by government, by private business firms, or by government-supported state churches. I do not think that the history of the papacy is a very good argument for centralizing religious authority, and while I respect Pope Benedict's heart and intellect and know that he is only doing his job, I also insist on the freedom to worship as I see fit. Let the Church prove its superiority in the free market of ideas and without competitive advantages conferred upon it by the state!

John S. Evans







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