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News: Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?
Posted on Tuesday, February 06 @ 07:15:38 PST by Jack Scott |
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Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to make people open up their eyes and see the truth. But few listen, despite the fact that I was the first Canadian Ph.D. in Climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition. Few listen, even though I have a Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and was a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. For some reason (actually for many), the World is not listening. Here is why.
What would happen if tomorrow we were told that, after all, the Earth is flat? It would probably be the most important piece of news in the media and would generate a lot of debate. So why is it that when scientists who have studied the Global Warming phenomenon for years say that humans are not the cause nobody listens? Why does no one acknowledge that the Emperor has no clothes on?
Believe it or not, Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide (CO2). This in fact is the greatest deception in the history of science. We are wasting time, energy and trillions of dollars while creating unnecessary fear and consternation over an issue with no scientific justification. For example, Environment Canada brags about spending $3.7 billion in the last five years dealing with climate change almost all on propaganda trying to defend an indefensible scientific position while at the same time closing weather stations and failing to meet legislated pollution targets.
No sensible person seeks conflict, especially with governments, but if we don't pursue the truth, we are lost as individuals and as a society. That is why I insist on saying that there is no evidence that we are, or could ever cause global climate change. And, recently, Yuri A. Izrael, Vice President of the United Nations sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) confirmed this statement. So how has the world come to believe that something is wrong?
Maybe for the same reason we believed, 30 years ago, that global cooling was the biggest threat: a matter of faith. "It is a cold fact: the Global Cooling presents humankind with the most important social, political, and adaptive challenge we have had to deal with for ten thousand years. Your stake in the decisions we make concerning it is of ultimate importance; the survival of ourselves, our children, our species," wrote Lowell Ponte in 1976.
I was as opposed to the threats of impending doom global cooling engendered as I am to the threats made about Global Warming. Let me stress I am not denying the phenomenon has occurred. The world has warmed since 1680, the nadir of a cool period called the Little Ice Age (LIA) that has generally continued to the present. These climate changes are well within natural variability and explained quite easily by changes in the sun. But there is nothing unusual going on.
Since I obtained my doctorate in climatology from the University of London, Queen Mary College, England my career has spanned two climate cycles. Temperatures declined from 1940 to 1980 and in the early 1970's global cooling became the consensus. This proves that consensus is not a scientific fact. By the 1990's temperatures appeared to have reversed and Global Warming became the consensus. It appears I'll witness another cycle before retiring, as the major mechanisms and the global temperature trends now indicate a cooling.
No doubt passive acceptance yields less stress, fewer personal attacks and makes career progress easier. What I have experienced in my personal life during the last years makes me understand why most people choose not to speak out; job security and fear of reprisals. Even in University, where free speech and challenge to prevailing wisdoms are supposedly encouraged, academics remain silent.
I once received a three page letter that my lawyer defined as libellous, from an academic colleague, saying I had no right to say what I was saying, especially in public lectures. Sadly, my experience is that universities are the most dogmatic and oppressive places in our society. This becomes progressively worse as they receive more and more funding from governments that demand a particular viewpoint.
In another instance, I was accused by Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki of being paid by oil companies. That is a lie. Apparently he thinks if the fossil fuel companies pay you have an agenda. So if Greenpeace, Sierra Club or governments pay there is no agenda and only truth and enlightenment?
Personal attacks are difficult and shouldn't occur in a debate in a civilized society. I can only consider them from what they imply. They usually indicate a person or group is losing the debate. In this case, they also indicate how political the entire Global Warming debate has become. Both underline the lack of or even contradictory nature of the evidence.
I am not alone in this journey against the prevalent myth. Several well-known names have also raised their voices. Michael Crichton, the scientist, writer and filmmaker is one of them. In his latest book, "State of Fear" he takes time to explain, often in surprising detail, the flawed science behind Global Warming and other imagined environmental crises.
Another cry in the wildenerness is Richard Lindzen's. He is an atmospheric physicist and a professor of meteorology at MIT, renowned for his research in dynamic meteorology - especially atmospheric waves. He is also a member of the National Academy of Sciences and has held positions at the University of Chicago, Harvard University and MIT. Linzen frequently speaks out against the notion that significant Global Warming is caused by humans. Yet nobody seems to listen.
I think it may be because most people don't understand the scientific method which Thomas Kuhn so skilfully and briefly set out in his book "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions." A scientist makes certain assumptions and then produces a theory which is only as valid as the assumptions. The theory of Global Warming assumes that CO2 is an atmospheric greenhouse gas and as it increases temperatures rise. It was then theorized that since humans were producing more CO2 than before, the temperature would inevitably rise. The theory was accepted before testing had started, and effectively became a law.
As Lindzen said many years ago: "the consensus was reached before the research had even begun." Now, any scientist who dares to question the prevailing wisdom is marginalized and called a sceptic, when in fact they are simply being good scientists. This has reached frightening levels with these scientists now being called climate change denier with all the holocaust connotations of that word. The normal scientific method is effectively being thwarted.
Meanwhile, politicians are being listened to, even though most of them have no knowledge or understanding of science, especially the science of climate and climate change. Hence, they are in no position to question a policy on climate change when it threatens the entire planet. Moreover, using fear and creating hysteria makes it very difficult to make calm rational decisions about issues needing attention.
Until you have challenged the prevailing wisdom you have no idea how nasty people can be. Until you have re-examined any issue in an attempt to find out all the information, you cannot know how much misinformation exists in the supposed age of information.
I was greatly influenced several years ago by Aaron Wildavsky's book "Yes, but is it true?" The author taught political science at a New York University and realized how science was being influenced by and apparently misused by politics. He gave his graduate students an assignment to pursue the science behind a policy generated by a highly publicised environmental concern. To his and their surprise they found there was little scientific evidence, consensus and justification for the policy. You only realize the extent to which Wildavsky's findings occur when you ask the question he posed. Wildavsky's students did it in the safety of academia and with the excuse that it was an assignment. I have learned it is a difficult question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction.
Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at letters@canadafreepress.com
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Re: Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? (Score: 1)
by Jhedges on Tuesday, February 06 @ 08:35:38 PST (User Info | Send a Message) | I read this article yesterday and I am glad more people are speaking up concerning the global warming hoax.
It is a myth and it’s just another thing politicians want to do so they can say “see we beat it”. It’s the same garbage they are doing with the smoking ban. Since America has problems handling real issues we go after smoking, cell phones and now global warming.
And then sit around beaming what we have done.
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Re: Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? (Score: 1)
by Mick on Tuesday, February 06 @ 08:37:59 PST (User Info | Send a Message) | The web is nor very kind to this organization.
NRSP = Not really science people or Now really secret payments
I am not convinced there is a significant human contribution to global warming, but I have not studied the data closely. I find the talking points on both sides not very informative either.
I think the best reasons for looking for alternative energy sources is to relieve us from dependence on other nations for our energy needs |
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Re: Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? (Score: 1)
by Scotty on Tuesday, February 06 @ 08:39:13 PST (User Info | Send a Message) | I saw this, and with all the hoopla coming out of the meeting in France on global warming, I thought this needed to be read. How classic that such testimony never gets presented in the main media sources.
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Re: Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? (Score: 1)
by rfwitt (hifive@att.net) on Tuesday, February 06 @ 09:06:39 PST (User Info | Send a Message) | This "scare" science (global warming) is just another means by which socialist and neo-communist want to increase the power of the state.
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Re: Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? (Score: 1)
by Islamaphobe on Tuesday, February 06 @ 09:56:19 PST (User Info | Send a Message) | | In my judgment, the global warming movement must be understood as essentially being a secular religion whose popularity reflects he intellectual collapse of Marxism and other versions of a socialist utopia. There are still people who are believing Marxists, of course, and who insist that it has failed in practice because the wrong people were in charge. But many on the philosophical left have come to the realization that a secular utopian economy is not going to come into existence and have concluded that the best way to prolong humankinds existence on Earth is to get rid of most of the people on it. |
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Re: Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? (Score: 1)
by Sam on Tuesday, February 06 @ 10:04:25 PST (User Info | Send a Message) | I love it. Science. And, I love the fact that Thomas Kuhn, (I represent Kuhnianism when it comes to science, for which I have been ridiculed in here). Listen to this quote from the article: "I think it may be because most people don't understand the scientific method which Thomas Kuhn so skilfully and briefly set out in his book "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions." A scientist makes certain assumptions and then produces a theory which is only as valid as the assumptions." Amen. Equally, I love this statement: "Now, any scientist who dares to question the prevailing wisdom is marginalized and called a sceptic, when in fact they are simply being good scientists." Wow.
The earth is said to be billions of years old. Can I question the "prevailing wisdom" of the "majority consensus" of science? Yes. I can on the basis of my assumptions (from the Bible). Great article. I have been doing some extra reading on the global warming issue for some time, and I thank whoever posted this.
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Re: Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? (Score: 1)
by Missina on Tuesday, February 06 @ 13:35:51 PST (User Info | Send a Message) | | After reading through these comments, I am amazed (and encouraged) that no one is in complete disagreement with this article, especially after the recent "proof" released to the media that global warming is caused by man. Is it something about preterism that causes us to be skeptics? If I ever try to talk with those around me about this issue, I am met with much opposition and have yet to find someone willing to consider that maybe we aren't the cause. I'm just surprised, is all. |
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Re: Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? (Score: 1)
by Sam on Tuesday, February 06 @ 14:11:17 PST (User Info | Send a Message) | Rich, Norm, JL
Ya'll sound like Al Gore on Global Warming: the "facts are in" and, quote, "the debate on this issue is over." I will continue to state my case: the scientific methodology used to arrive at heliocenticity is the SAME methodology used to arrive at Global Warming and the 4.5 billion year old universe. I can't for the life of me figure out why in the world you can't see this.
Then, we have Rich proclaiming that science can give us universally true propisitions that "science" (not God) has "revealed" (to use his words). Science is creeping into the storerooms of God's vaults (to use Job) and finding out the "secret counsel" of God! What balls!
Do you think, really, that when God sits and compares notes on JL theory of light refraction and His Own Truth on light that the two would even remotely come close? I think God laughs at scientists that claim that they are "close to unlocking the secrets" of the universe. Science has turned into scientism, which is what is being endorsed in here by many. It's sad.
As for people not beliving in the gospel because of young earth, goodness. You have just affirmed an article DENYING global warming!!!!!! WAKE UP!!! Global Warming deniers are RIDICULED (just google it, and you will see).
Thus, I propose this:
1. scrap inerrancy
2. scrap miracles (science rejects miracles based on empiricism since no one can obsereve a miracle)
3. scrap young earth (based on the overwhelming consensus of science)
4. Accept global warming (based on the overwhelming consensus of science)
5. Read Richard Dawkins
6. When the Bible and science conflicts, take science, since interpreting the Bible, according to JL, cannot "ever give us universal truth." So much for "Jesus died for my sins." Since that is theology, and since theology cannot give us universal truth, then this statement may or may not be true.
7. Be a skeptic, sign up for the grand experiment of postmodernism and enter into a journey of possibly going nowhere...after all, who are well to tell others what to do....
.....after I accept all of this, Jim Beam starts looking good again..
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Re: Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? (Score: 1)
by Ed on Tuesday, February 06 @ 15:16:35 PST (User Info | Send a Message) | What's interesting about this whole "debate" is that, while Sam claims that "science" has a consensus on global warming, it is NOT scientist, for the most part, that claim that global warming is fact.
Actors, politicians, evangelical pastors, emergent leaders, heads of NGOs, are the main proponents of global warming. The few scientists who are claiming global warming are those who see the value of a federal grant. NASA and NOAA are two gov't agencies who rely heavily on the increased budget that accompanies their concern for global warming.
Most true scientists know that global warming is a hoax. But the media either keeps them off the air, OR they use the claim that all those scientists are IN Bush's pockets. But it is NOT those who oppose global warming concerns that benefit from the Federal coffers, so the argument doesn't wash.
Follow the money - it's all about money. Just like dispensationalism. LaHaye, Van Wimpy, and Lindsay sell books. They make lots of money. They have an economic reason for keeping dispensationalism alive. So it is with global warming.
It ain't about the science - never was. If it was, Al Gore would not be the Poster Boy. It's about the money.
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Sam Frost is a Kuhnian?!?! (Score: 1)
by MiddleKnowledge on Tuesday, February 06 @ 18:24:17 PST (User Info | Send a Message) | Sam Frost claims in a post above:
"I represent Kuhnianism when it comes to science, for which I have been ridiculed in here"
When I saw this post earlier today, it struck me as odd. In my college days I took a class titled Philosophy of Science. We read Kuhn. We studied Kuhn's Structure of Scientific Revolutions and The Essential Tension. It was probably the best class in my brief college career.
What struck me about Sam's claim above is that I consider myself a Kuhnian, too. But I've never mistaken Sam as a fellow Kuhnian. In fact, I find virtually everthing Sam has to say about science in direct opposition to what I learned from Thomas Kuhn.
So, I spent some free time digging up my old Kuhn books. After some reading, I found out that I was not mistaken in my memories of Kuhn.
Here is what Kuhn actually said. All quotes from The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, 2nd Edition (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1970).
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Philosophically, at least, this second sense of 'paradigm' is the deepter of the two, and the claims I have made in its name are the main sources for the controversies and misunderstandings that the book has evoked, particularly for the charge that I make of science a subjective and irrational enterprise. (p. 175)
That reference to tacit knowledge and the concurrent rejection of rules isolates another problem that has bothered many of my critics and seemed to provide a basis for the charges of subjectivity and irrationality. Some readers have felt that I was trying to make science rest on unanalyzable individual intuitions rather than logic and law. But that interpretation goes astray in two essential respects. First, if I am talking at all about intuitions, they are not individual. Rather they are the tested and shared possessions of the members of a successful group, and the novice acquires them through training as a part of his preparations for group-membership. Second, They are not in principle unanalyzable. On the contrary... (p. 191)
They [critics- TM] find my viewpoint relativistic, particularly as it is developed in the last section of this book. My remarks about translation highlight the reasons for the charge. The proponents of different theories are like the members of different language-culture communities. Recognizing the parallelism suggests that in some sense both groups may be right. Applied to culture and its development that position is relativistic. But applied to science it may not be, and it is in any case far from MERE relativism in a respect that its critics have failed to see. Taken as a group or in groups, practitioners of the developed sciences are, I have argued, fundamentally puzzle-solvers... (p. 205)
[S]cientific development is, like biological, a unidirectional and irreversible process. Later scientific theories are better than earlier ones for solving puzzles in the often quite different environments to which they are applied. That is not a relativist's position, and it displays the sense in which I am a convinced believer in scientific progress. (p. 206)
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Now Sam,
Be honest.
1)Do you believe with Kuhn that science rests on logic and law? 2)Do you agree with Kuhn that later scientific theories are better than previous ones? 3)Are you a "convinced believer in scientific progress"?
Nothing would make me happier to find out that, in spite of all you've said about science, you truly are a Kuhnian.
Awaiting your response,
A true Kuhnian,
Tim Martin
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Identify The Conspiracy ... (Score: 1)
by EWMI on Thursday, February 08 @ 01:42:46 PST (User Info | Send a Message) | Excellent Banter Here! It is interesting that agreeing with Global Warming Hype comes from accepting the observations and conclusions of “experts". Disagreeing comes from accepting the observations and conclusions of different "experts". Most of us can’t test it for ourselves. We don’t have the records or the tools.
Yet we are happy to choose which experts to believe. WOW!
For the most part posters here do not seem to be environmentalists and not politicians. There don’t seem to be any meteorological professionals either. Yet you know, you can easily tell, that the official story is nothing but lies. You know our governments are not being truthful. You can see the conspiracy. To you I offer my heartiest congratulations.
The Same Approach To Another Story (This One Is Easier …. Much Easier)
Now let’s see … you don’t need to be an expert to doubt the official story of 911. Anyone can do it! There are experts on each side, but you really don’t need anything more than your own inquisitive mind. Just apply the same critical thinking to 911 as you are applying to Global Warming … easy.
Before we go on:
It is not that you believe in conspiracies it is which conspiracy you believe!
Here are some questions you could ask:
How is it that three steel buildings collapsed on Sept 11 2001 yet no steel building in the history of the world prior to this has ever fallen?
Why did Rumsfeld and Rabbi Dov Zakheim use Sept 10 2001 to announce that two trillion dollars worth of military hardware was not accounted for?
What is the significance of this statement given to the Taliban in early 2001: “Accept our carpet of gold or be buried under a carpet of bombs.”
Is it significant that we threatened the Taliban after they refused to agree to our terms for a pipeline, yet now an oil Exec is the president of Afghanistan? (And the pipeline has been built)
Did David Rockefeller say in early 2001 that there would be “an event” later in the year that would cause the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq?
How is it that Pakistan, India and others in the region reported that they were advised mid 2001 that Afghanistan would be invaded “no later than October” (2001)
Five hundred people reported hearing big explosions in the twin towers before they fell, yet this was never reported.
What is the significance of New York City Aux. Fire Lieutenant Paul Isaac Jr’s words: “I know 9-11 was an inside job, the police know it’s an inside job, and the firemen know it too.”
How could falling buildings send human bone fragments to the tops of other building around them?
How could falling buildings with only downward force supplied by gravity launch a piece of steel weighing 30 tons into WFC3 over 300 feet away?
How come a building whose steel was supposed to be so weakened by fire did not cook a young woman who walked to the hole made by the airplane in civilian clothes and was able to wave for the cameras.
How Jet Fuel could possibly melt steel?
Why was a building whose steel was supposed to be weakened by fire cool enough for people to walk down the stairs past the floor damaged by airplane collision?
How three buildings fell as fast a stuff falling off them, in other words at freefall speed. (Use a stop watch and count while observing one of the many clips from Fox, CNN etc available)
How come the seismic data corresponds to the eyewitness accounts of large explosions in the twin towers before, not as they were falling.
How could falling buildings create a pool of molten metal in the basement wreckage of WTC1 and WTC2 that took weeks to cool?
Why do pictures of the remaining steel beams from the twin towers show neat 45 degree cuts consistent with cutter charges?
When Payne Stuart’s airplane decompressed and contact was lost with air traffic control, fighters were scrambled in minutes. His plane was escorted until it ran out of fu
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Re: Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? (Score: 1)
by jcarter on Thursday, February 08 @ 12:45:01 PST (User Info | Send a Message) | So many comments have been made already, this one will probably just be swallowed up in the morass...
i don't know how we can say one way or the other - with certainty - that global warming is a fact or a hoax.
we've only been tracking weather patterns for a comparatively short period of time. It may very well be true that human actions are affecting the climate (actions do have consequences) but then again, it may be that the "warming" described may be a part of much larger weather patterns.
it does behoove us - either way - to consider how our actions affect the weather / ecology... even if global warming belongs in the same bin as the flat earth and phrenology some self examination in this area is not a bad thing. |
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- by tom-g on Tuesday, February 13 @ 05:36:02 PST
Deny GW and You Guys Are Linked To Holocaust Deniers (Score: 1)
by EWMI on Friday, February 09 @ 14:47:05 PST (User Info | Send a Message) | I would like to say we're at a point where global warming is impossible to deny. Let's just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers, though one denies the past and the other denies the present and future.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/02/09/no_change_in_political_climate/ |
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- by Virgil on Tuesday, February 13 @ 07:42:13 PST
- by EWMI on Tuesday, February 13 @ 13:11:56 PST
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