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News: Craig Ferguson, Pat Robertson, Job and gumball machines
Posted on Thursday, January 11 @ 07:34:45 PST by Virgil

Society by Jamie Stone
Craig Ferguson, a late night TV host, made an absolutely brilliant statement. Probably one of the best statements I’ve heard recently, and as far as I know, he’s not a Jesus follower. He was doing a bit on Pat Robertson’s recent prediction of mass killings at the end of 2007.

Ferguson said,

“I think what happens is that some of these televangelists, they prey on the good-will of the congregation… People flock to these preachers, cause they want someone to tell them everything is gonna be all right. But here’s my thing, you can’t have certainty and faith. You can’t. You can’t have them at the same time. If you have faith, you don’t need certainty. If you have certainty, you don’t need faith. They can’t coexist. It doesn’t make sense. You can’t be hungry and full. You can’t be drunk and sober. You can’t be fat and thin. It doesn’t make any sense.”

This is an absolutely fascinating statement. If we have faith, we do so many of us flock to those public figures that predict the future through “prophecy” or promise the “best life now” or promise healing. Where is the faith in that? Are we not simply running off to soothe sayers? What is the difference, other than some use the name of Jesus and others don’t?

It reminds me of Job’s story, in some ways. It all came crashing down on poor Job. When I think I’m having a bad day, I just think of Job…puts things in perspective. Job lost his house, his children, his wealth, and then to make a bad day worse, his wife tells him “Why don’t you just curse God and die.” My husband loves when I say that to him.

So, there Job is, when his friends show up. The see how absolutely miserable he is. Scripture says that he looked so bad, they hardly recognized him. His friends sat with him for 7 days, mourning with him. But 7 days of mourning was about all they could handle. I think that we are not much different. We can only stand someone else’s grief for so long before we have to jump in and “fix it”. But that’s a story for another day….

His friend Eliphaz (I’ll call him Eli) jumps in and says, “Hey, Job, do you mind if I jump in here?” From there, Eli goes on to tell Job that the innocent prosper and the wicked get what they deserve. Hmmm…what was Eli implying?

Then old Bildad (Bill for short) weighs in. He suggests that perhaps Job’s children deserved to die for their sins and that if Job would simply repent, then certainly God would restore him.

As if this isn’t enough, then Zophar (Zoe for short) jumps in. He proceeds to tell Job that he is a mocker and a babbler and that he got LESS than he deserved from God as punishment.

Round and round it goes….for chapter after chapter. Eli, Bill and Zoe accuse and condemn Job (apparently, these guys have never heard of a fair fight). Job doesn’t fear God, Job is wicked, Job is clearly not listening to God. Of course, Job spends much time attempting to vindicate himself before his 3 “friends”. However, at some point the convo stops, because his 3 friends were disgusted with Job, as he was “righteous in his own eyes.” Then, to Job’s delight I’m sure, another friend swings by Job’s pad. I’ll call him Eli Jr. (no relation to the older Eli). Junior is already in a right state by the time he speaks. He was ticked with Job for justifying himself. He was ticked with the older 3 men, because they were unsuccessful at proving Job wrong. Junior takes 5 chapters and just lets Job have it.

And then…..drum roll...blowing of the shofar...

Jehovah shows up.

I just love God. He has a fabulous sense of humor. So, God shows up and speaks to Job out of the storm. Even this is a clever little play on words. I think when God shows up, He must show up in the midst of a tempest, but Job was experiencing quite a tempest of his own. So God tells Job … “Ok, Mister Man…get ready for me. I will now ask the questions, and YOU can answer.” God proceeds to ask Job questions like “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the world? Can you create lightening so that it says to you ‘Here I am?” Stuff like this. I’m thinking Job was feeling a bit humble. About halfway through God’s tirade, Job breaks in and says “Ok, Ok, You are right, God, I’ll shut up”. But God isn’t done with Job, yet. God continues to question Job with more humbling questions. One of my favorite questions that God asks is “Will you play with the leviathan like a bird, or put him on a leash for your girls?”. That’s funny. I don’t care what you say.

So, as the story wraps up, Job repents. He admits that he had no business questioning God or His purposes. Then, here comes the beautiful part, God totally OWNED Job’s friends. He tells them “that you have not spoken rightly of Me and that Job has. IF Job will pray for you, I will accept Job’s prayer and not deal accordingly with you.” BURN. I bet that Job’s friends were glad that Job was not the vindictive type. Job DID pray for his friends and God accepted Job’s prayers.

So, if you’re still with me, you may be wondering, “What the heck does this have to do with Pat Robertson and Craig Ferguson?” Well maybe, not much. However, I think it speaks to this need for us to have all the answers. Pray and God will heal. Be holy and God will bless you. Seek God and He will tell you the future so you can prepare.

God is not a gumball machine. We can’t stick in a quarter (the right action) and expect a gumball (the thing we want) to pop out. God is God. Who are we to question?

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1

Posted from More Than Stone at http://morethanstone.blogsome.com


 
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RE: (Score: 1)
by PeytonLucy on Thursday, January 11 @ 08:33:35 PST
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This line is a standard ploy of anti-Christians. I do not know anything about Ferguson personally (I'm speaking of the concept.) This has been advanced by historical Jesus writers in the form of the Jesus of Faith and the Jesus of History, where the Jesus of History is the mortal man from Galilee and the Jesus of Faith is a creation of the late first century Church. I've attended nationally produced denominational Bible studies that lead down this path to Jesus was not really resurrected.

Jesus is the Word who came into the world so that man could know God. Accepting the premise of faith versus certainty indirectly denies the Incarnation. The Apostles had faith and certainty, as evidenced by their lives post 30 AD.

Faith versus certainty is often coupled with references to Constantine inventing Christianity/ and/or the deity of Jesus. I've heard this many times and it is usually, not always, a sign of someone who is not a Christian. It is often an excuse for people not evangelizing and not spending time learning about the origins of Christianity.


God Bless,


peytonlucy


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Nonsense (Score: 1)
by KingNeb on Thursday, January 11 @ 10:24:20 PST
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"You can’t be hungry and full. You can’t be drunk and sober. You can’t be fat and thin. It doesn’t make any sense.”

okkk, but how then does that lead into "you can't have faith and be certain"?

Faith is the conviction of things not seen, NOT conviction in things that may or may not be true.

Craig Ferguson has a unbiblical view of faith. So, of course it's not going to make any sense.


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  • Re: Nonsense by Virgil on Thursday, January 11 @ 11:10:04 PST
    • Re: Nonsense by KingNeb on Thursday, January 11 @ 11:30:13 PST
Re: Craig Ferguson, Pat Robertson, Job and gumball machines (Score: 1)
by jcarter on Friday, January 12 @ 10:40:32 PST
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I think it was Ann Lamott who wrote

the opposite of faith isn't doubt, it's certainty.

and i agree with that. certainty is to assume we can "Know" the mind of God, when it's very clear that his ways are beyond our ways. We can know some things about God, we can know God - but only in a limited way. We don't have certainty (well those of us who aren't Pat Robertson, or Benny Hinn, or Oral Roberts, or, or, or, or, ) we have faith.


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Elihu's Exemption from Propitiation (Score: 1)
by Windpressor (Giddi_one) on Sunday, January 14 @ 01:27:12 PST
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Why was Elihu exempt from the propitiation required of Job's 3 other friends?


Did he speak sufficiently well of God that he was not grouped with the others?

OR

Was his youthfulness considered under age and he not yet accountable?

G1
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