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by Virgil Vaduva Recently a PlanetPreterist columnist and an old-timer in the Preterist movement obstinately asked me – in an Open Letter mind you – to immediately remove all his articles from this website because he no longer wished to be associated with PlanetPreterist, mainly because “my nose is in the same tent as Brian McLaren” or worse yet, I am “maybe even walking in his shoes.” My whole life I was self-conscious about my nose being too big, but this charge really puts my stilted nose in an awkward position; and my funky feet in shoes that may not want them.
Now before I even get into the meat of this article, I want to point out how absurd it is for any Preterist to make charges of unorthodoxy when Preterism itself is outside of traditional orthodoxy and it is a heretical teaching in most Christian circles, whether or not we want to accept it. This is not to say that the pot can’t call the kettle heretic, but it seems to me that absurdities and oddities are becoming a regular occurrence in this Star Wars bar scene peppered with everything from demeaning suggestions made regarding my wife and her family, and comparing me with a child molester, to demands to answer questions about “how long I have been a Christian” or “how strong or how weak is my faith.” But I should not be surprised, that’s what comes with being Brian McLaren’s bastard child; my only disappointment and concern is that that I am mostly criticized by losers rather than serious scholars, which could be good and bad depending on one’s perspective.
For all practical purposes, I am deeply honored to be put in the same category as Brian McLaren, Tony Jones, Rob Bell and Andrew Perriman; all of whom promote a much deeper understanding of the Scriptures than the superficial and mechanical understanding offered by modern Preterism.
But since most criticism seems to be about the content presented here, I must reiterate that PlanetPreterist has always been presented as a community of people, thus a community of ideas and opinions. That is what makes this website so valuable and important to the Christian conversation; I do not know what part of the purpose and goals of this website it is not being understood out there. If Hugo Chavez would ask to be a columnist here, he would certainly be one, and so would Hal Lindsey, Jack VanImpe or whoever else would want to offer ideas and opinions to the large audience of PlanetPreterist, as long as it is being done in a respectful manner. By allowing open dialogue and exchange of ideas, PlanetPreterist does not insult the intelligence of our readers by implying that they are unable or maybe too dumb to discern truth on their own. I like to believe that users of this site are good readers of character, able to discern and understand the differences between opinions, proposals, research, theories and facts; I like to believe that you, the reader, do not have the mind of a child that blindly listens and buys into everything I suggest, so do not fear, you will be treated like an adult here and hopefully you will also all act as adults.
Jack’s story
During the last Emergent meeting in Dayton, I’ve had the privilege of meeting Jack[1]. Jack is a great fellow for a good conversation; in fact, after more than two hours of speaking with him, we had a hard time saying goodbye and leaving on our ways. But during those two hours I learned something fascinating about Jack. You see, Jack did not find God in a church building, in theology, fulfilled eschatology or a Seminary, in Calvinism or in Arminianism; instead Jack found God in Buddhism. Jack told us about his struggles and his journey; he told us about the emptiness he found in modern Christian churches where judgmentalism and dogmatism take front stage. He told us about the solace he could not find among Christians, but among Buddhists and in meditation.
Now hit the pause button for a second.
So far a modern, self-serving, self-gratifying, judgmental, self-righteous Christian would laugh at someone like Jack; maybe even spit in his face or call him a Heretic and a destroyer of the Gospel; who knows, even call all his friends encouraging them to leave Jack because he did not find God “the right way.” Yet how surprised would all be to learn that as a result of his encounter with Buddhism Jack is now a practicing Christian, serving in an Orthodox Church, professing his faith in the saving blood of Christ? Jack was lost, and now he is found.
Our stories
But Jack’s story is only one out of thousands; we hear the stories of Christians abandoning churches in droves because of hate and dogmatism, theology being placed before people, dogma before souls, and orthodoxy before the community; how many Preterists leave or get kicked out of their own churches because of their newfound eschatology? The truth is that Jack’s story is our story; it’s my story and PlanetPreterist’s story. Many of us have found solace in Preterism…for a time; now we are willing to look at the practical aspects of Preterism and see what the present Kingdom of God is all about.
In the process we have discovered a new group of long-lost brothers looking for the same solace, yet they come into our story from the practical side of things. While Preterist Eschatology leads us to ask questions about practical Christianity, practical Christianity is leading Emergents to ask questions about Preterist Eschatology. This is a point of no-return for both groups, thus a clash of generations is inevitable. For all practical purposes most Emergent Christians are Preteristic in their eschatology; and they will continue be Preteristic whether some Preterists like it or not. There is no Preterist roster that I am aware of, nor is there a Pope of Preterism that allows or denies applications into the movement based on one’s theological accreditations. This will happen regardless of the loud whining being heard from the Star Wars bar scene, or despite the vicious personal attacks against me. It is not up to me or anyone else to dictate the eschatology of the emergent generations of Christians or to dictate who can and who cannot call himself a Preterist; but it is up to me to choose to stand up for my convictions.
You see what is ironic in this clash of generations, is that the well-established, modern Preterists that claim to have all answers, claim to have no doubts, claim to have no theological weaknesses, those who are daily offering us a spectacle of orgasmic theological self-righteousness and perfection claim they have every right to stand up for what they think is right, what they thing is just and biblically accurate. Yet they would suggest in the same breath that we do not have the same justification, we may not stand up for what we believe is right, biblical and Christ-like; when they point out our words they call them “lies” but we cannot do the same; they can mock us but we cannot; they can whine and complain, but we cannot; they can charge heresy, but we cannot; we do not preach the Gospel, only they do; we molest the Gospel, they do not. This list can go on forever.
In some ways Preterism is becoming a movement of hollow theological fanatics that lacks any practical aspect whatsoever; in other ways Preterism is offering a newfound hope to Emergent Christians willing to consider fulfilled eschatology. PlanetPreterist is here to offer answers, avenues for conversations and dialogue. This is the only Preterist place that is willing to extend a welcoming hand to anyone out there, regardless of religion, creed, political persuasion or soteriology, because I firmly believe that open arms are next to brotherhood and conversation is better than hate and mockery.
For those of us having the Elijah complex, I hope that I have made it clear yet again. It appears that every few months I have to reiterate that PlanetPreterist’s agenda will not be dictated by critics or by anyone that is driven by the only desire to be “against” something. The honest zeal for truth has driven a handful of old-time Preterists to proudly wear their horse glasses, making them indistinguishable from the Dispensationalists and Futurists they love to mock and criticize, already forgetting their own story, their own journey and their own friends and brothers.
Jack did not forget his story, and like Jack I did not forget mine, and I will continue to tell my story without shame, hoping to encourage others to do the same: I like lighting candles when I enter a Church building; I like contemplating and praying when I look at an icon; I like speaking with Emergent liberals and conservatives; I like speaking with Universalists and Calvinists; I like being open about my weaknesses and doubts instead of hiding them and pretending I do not have them; I like telling others I am a sinner; I like taking groceries to my friends’ homes to help them out; I like listening to other people’s opinions; and last but no least, I like telling people how Jesus loves all mankind, and how he encouraged us to love even our worst enemies.
The passing generation likes to divide the world of Christianity into tents and like-minded groups; they warn you not to set foot (or nose) into the wrong tent, or maybe by mistake step into someone else’s shoes. This is the mentality at the heart of denominationalism, and it’s ripping Christianity apart. Our faith is not divided in tents or groups where the strongest rule and dictate everyone’s theological agendas – Jesus did not come to build tents; instead he sat at the same table with all his disciples, drank from the same cup with all of them and broke bread together with them. He let prostitutes wash his feet and tax collectors buy him dinner.
I want to encourage all of you to continue to reach out to all people of all backgrounds just as Christ would; listen to others’ stories, see where they find God, and if they are still looking, encourage them, help them, talk to them and point them gently in the right direction. Creating zones of exclusions, withdrawing articles from websites, bashing people’s heads in with hollow theology will hardly motivate anyone to reconsider truth. You will be amazed by how much of your story you will be able to tell just by listening.
[1] Name changed to protect the innocent
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Virgil Vaduva is a columnist for PlanetPreterist.com.
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Re: Who's Your Daddy? (Score: 1)
by chrisliv on Thursday, September 21 @ 15:54:11 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | Yeah,
After a quick skim, what you say makes sense.
But, I wouldn't rule-out granting such an unusual request via the Open Letter.
I think we all know that it is just more attention-seeking and pseudo-moral grandstanding, which is probably secondary to a bastard complex, judging from the previous postings at Planet Preterist that was in evidence from Mr. Open Letter and directed toward you (Virgil) and Sam Frost most likely via transference, i.e., both of you being perceived as authority or father-like figures.
You could still keep the text off the Planet Preterist website to cite particular quotes, if desired.
As neutral observer, I think nobody will miss any of Mr. Open Letter's postings or comments which are extant on this website. And, if you grant the request, who knows, maybe Mr. Open Letter will feel better if the evidence of his perceived bad judgment is removed.
Virgil, it's your choice, and you've made your case well enough. But, now, for the sake of promoting peace and avoiding counter-transference, feel free to expunge Mr. Open Letter's shame, and the evidence of his bad judgment.
Love covers a multitude of sins.
I'm sure that no sincere participants at Preterist Planet will miss any of that stuff, anyway. So, of course, grant the request, just because you can.
Peace to you,
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- by Virgil on Thursday, September 21 @ 17:42:50 PDT
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Re: A Clash of Generations (Score: 1)
by Kyle Peterson (peterson.kyle@gmail.com) on Thursday, September 21 @ 16:42:48 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | How many Preterists leave or get kicked out of their own churches because of their newfound eschatology?
Strangely enough, my previous church didn't have as much of an issue with my eschatology as they did with my stance on soteriology (they were starting to become more reformed and I was not). |
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Emergent and Preterism - Fighting on two fronts? (Score: 1)
by EWMI on Thursday, September 21 @ 16:44:44 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | Planet Preterist is a good resource to send Pret curious people to. I have done that many times over the years.
The jump to Preterism from futurism is hard enough on its own. The background to this comment is that many church going futurists are being prejudiced against Emergent on an ongoing basis.
Now we may have an Emerging problem with PP as a resource. Many articles here are supplimental to Preterism in general and that is good and important. IMHO we need to be careful to keep Emergent related articles and opinions in that supplimental to Preterism sphere.
A good example are the "Old Earth" vs "Young Earth" and Local vs Global flood articles. Both positions are well argued and respected. Similarly political and economic differences are treated that way. It may seem to some outsiders that Emergent related discussions are not treated with the same critical balance. If we are not careful we could find ourselves engaging people on too many fronts.
Hastily typed and humbly submitted ...
al persohn |
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- by Virgil on Thursday, September 21 @ 17:45:35 PDT
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Find a son of peace (Score: 1)
by davo on Thursday, September 21 @ 22:49:14 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) |
Virgil: …and comparing me with a child molester… Ah c'mon Virgil, surely ya know it's nothing "personal" ;). Relax Virgil it's time to move on. Don't you realise that most anal-retentive finger-pointing 'legalists' are either mean or miserable – mean when they think they're right OR miserable if they find out they're wrong – accept it. What I have found somewhat profitable is the rule-of-thumb as found in Lk 10:6 i.e., look for "a son of peace". In other words, there are way too many hungry people out there "searching" and willing to explore the truths of God – so spend time with them; and leave those supposedly "more in the know" to their exclusionary and life sapping pontificating.
Virgil: …instead Jack found God in Buddhism. Shock Horror!! I can see someone loading their Jn 14:6 bullet. It does seem rather odd that some who claim "the sovereignty of God" mantra seem to allow such ONLY according to their program of it. How fantastic is it that "Jack" found the "more excellent way" – kind of reminds me of that "Gentile dog" Cornelius, someone who had NOT come to his conclusions and practices of faith through a fundamentalist paradigm, yet his ways were a testimony before God – and God saved him; as distinct from the fact that he was already reconciled, HE JUST DID'T KNOW IT. The Gospel was about the revelation of God's righteousness to him [Rom 1:17]. His believing DIDN'T establish it, but his believing once awakened to it, grasped it.
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- by Virgil on Friday, September 22 @ 07:55:36 PDT
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Re: A Clash of Generations (Score: 1)
by rfwitt (hifive@att.net) on Friday, September 22 @ 04:15:41 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | “But Jack’s story is only one out of thousands; we hear the stories of Christians abandoning churches in droves because of hate and dogmatism, theology being placed before people, dogma before souls, and orthodoxy before the community; how many Preterists leave or get kicked out of their own churches because of their newfound eschatology? “
“The passing generation likes to divide the world of Christianity into tents and like-minded groups; they warn you not to set foot (or nose) into the wrong tent, or maybe by mistake step into someone else’s shoes. This is the mentality at the heart of denominationalism, and it’s ripping Christianity apart. Our faith is not divided in tents or groups where the strongest rule and dictate everyone’s theological agendas – Jesus did not come to build tents; instead he sat at the same table with all his disciples, drank from the same cup with all of them and broke bread together with them. He let prostitutes wash his feet and tax collectors buy him dinner.”
Virgil,
I’m seventy years old and I would simply say that it’s not a clash of generations. It’s a clash of those who become fixed in their doctrine and dogma and those who see themselves as pilgrims on a journey towards truth. The two paragraphs above from your article said it well, especially what was said in the second paragraph. To me this is the heart of the issue. I think it would be good for all of those who visit this site to meditate on the substance of what you said.
“Truth is the divine substance, doctrine or dogma is the human apprehension and statement of it; truth is a living and life-giving power, dogma a logical formula; truth is infinite, unchanging, and eternal; dogma is finite, changeable, and perfectible.”
For our Lord,
Richard Wittemann
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- by Virgil on Friday, September 22 @ 06:26:32 PDT
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Open Letter (Score: 1)
by DarthPreterist on Friday, September 22 @ 05:44:00 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | Mr. Vaduva,
I hate to ask this question, but where is this "open letter" located? I've looked on this website, but I have failed to find it.
Not having access to the letter that sparked your response leaves me at a disadvantage. Without the original letter, I cannot judge the adequacy of your response to Mr. Open Letter's criticisms.
Thanks in advance.
~Darth Preterist~
PS -- If you don't mind me saying, I find your website's search engine inadequate. You might want to look into having Google power your search engine. Please see PreteristArchive.com's search engine as an example. |
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- by Virgil on Friday, September 22 @ 06:02:12 PDT
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The Open Letter (Score: 1)
by Virgil on Friday, September 22 @ 06:09:54 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | Several people asked about this "Open Letter" from our columnist to be posted here. Here it is; please keep comments civil:
Virgil,
Your response was interesting but also confusing. It must have been six months
ago or more that I sent you an email requesting that you remove my name and my
articles from Planet Preterist website. I used your normal email address, the
same as I had used before, and I didn't receive any indication that I had the
wrong address, since no "unable to deliver" message came back.
Nor did I receive an acknowledgement of your receiving my email request. It was
quite clear that you received my request but ignored it.
Then probably about three or four weeks later, I sent a 2nd request, worded much
the same way, and again no "unable to deliver" message came back, nor any
response on your part. Every indication, again, that you received it but did not
choose to respond to me. In the meantime nothing happened on the website; my
name and articles remained on the PP site and still do to this day.
My thought at that time (and ever since) was that you simply did not plan to
remove my name or articles from the site, even though I had twice requested it.
So now, finally, I will appreciate it if you would remove my name and articles
from your website. Better late than never, right? Thanks very much!
It is not, as you suggest, that I have not read enough of MacLaren's material to
know what he is driving at or believes. It read quite a bit of it in the past.
My previous email was simply saying that more recently I have not desired to
continue reading the material as I considered it unprofitable. This is not a
pre-judgment, Virgil, I know basically what the man believes. But I am not a
follower of his, nor desire to be, and therefore do not continue to read every
word that he writes. Others have taken up the study in more detail recently and
therefore I find it unnecessary to duplicate their efforts.
As to not contacting you about what you believe about what MacLaren teaches, if
my two email requests for disassociation were ignored, what good would it do to
make a third effort to establish contact with you. I think some of the articles
that you yourself have written in response to what MacLaren and others have
written is prima facie evidence that you at least have "your nose in the same
tent" as MacLaren, maybe even walking in his shoes. And if you would tell me
that there are points on which you and he differ, these would no doubt be minor
details and still would not justify you in allowing his articles to appear on
your PP website. By all means keep in mind that both your articles in sympathy
toward him and his own articles copied, can adversely influence young minds in a
dangerous way. Do you really want to promote MacLaren's ideas which are so
contradictory to those of the Bible itself? I hope you realize the damage you
are doing to the Preterist Movement (and more even more importantly to the
Gospel of Jesus Christ) and will, upon coming to realize this, remove the
MacLaren and related materials from your website, like you are about to do with
my articles. Please consider this.
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- by Mick on Friday, September 22 @ 08:17:55 PDT
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Re: A Clash of Generations (Score: 1)
by Flakinde on Friday, September 22 @ 12:09:35 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | Virgil:
Before you read this, please empty your mind of assumptions about where I'm coming from, and please do not read this under any other context than what I am writing here, and what I have written to you in the past. I refuse to make you "guilty by association", therefore I sincerely hope you don't commit the same mistake towards me. But anyway, if you do, I forgive you in advance, though if you do fall into this, I will gently try to make you aware of your "not listening" to me.
Is that OK with you? (And sorry about the long disclaimer. :) )
I have interacted with you several times in the past, trying to make the point that "Emergent" is just another temporal movement tied to one particular culture (Americanized Christianity), which is irrelevant to most of the world, and that wants to be forced into other cultures as the "next big thing" in Christianity (as evidenced by the translation and export of merchandising under this banner).
In one of our exchanges, you even admitted that Emergent was a temporal movement, that will eventually die off like the others to make way for the next one (sorry for not quoting you word-for-word, but I believe I remember you correctly), yet you didn't seem to be bothered by this; to me, on the other hand, this focus is extremely disturbing.
I don't have a problem with PP inviting conversation between differing views. I don't have a problem with wanting to embrace others in love, and gently leading them in the right direction. I don't have a problem with being sincere with one another. I don't have a problem departing from denominationalism and embracing transcendent and eternal values (actually, that's my whole thing, as you'll see below). That, in my eyes, is a valid and just approach to things.
What I do have a problem with is . . .
. . . representing Emergent to the point of even posting articles with their logo. Heck, many "emergent" types don't even go that length. I've heard Tony Jones saying he wants to stop talking so much about "Emergent" and move on to talk more about God. Why don't you consider doing the same?
. . . representing Emergent as the prime - or maybe the only - example and model of "practical faith". This is just a sorry example of Pragmatism, with a new set of clothes. The question is, practical for what purpose? I could give you a long list of ways Emergent is practical for a very negative purpose, and how it is impractical in other ways. Just as one example, how Emergent is highly impractical to bridge the cultural gap that exists between Americanized Christianity and the rest of the world, especially the Church.
. . . relating "Jack's" story to a point that it seems (whatever your intention) that Buddhism could be a valid alternative way to Christ. Virgil, I lived in a Shintoist country. I used to practice Shintoist meditation and seeking the guidance of oni (demons) and kami (gods) through it. I have Christian friends in Buddhist countries. I only say all this to show I am speaking objectively: Buddhism and its derivatives are a tremendous obstacle in people's minds to receive the revelation of Jesus Christ, and I am absolutely not talking about denominationalism (this point was also recently made by a brother immersed in Japanese culture on Santa Suburbia - sorry, it's in Spanish).
"Jack"'s experience could be valid for his own life, but it's irresponsible to portray that testimony without speaking about the dangers and harms of such systems. After something like this, I wouldn't be surprised if you brought stories of people finding "god" through Wiccans, Hedonism, or Santería, and criticizing those who make a similar call as I, and thinking that we are saying that they are wrong for not reaching Christ "the right way". That's not my point, so please don't even go there.
Now
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Re: Holding Oneself Hostage While Demand Your Own Randsom (Score: 1)
by chrisliv on Saturday, September 23 @ 15:44:04 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | Well,
Usually it's a kidnapper who holds someone hostage for a randsom of money.
But, today, it is very common in many settings and relationships for people, like a boy or girlfriend, or a family member to hold themself hostage, relationally speaking, while demanding their own randsom. It's usually not for money though.
When I was a teenager I used that one on a girl or two, and a girl or two has used it on me, too. But, I still see that form of social blackmail being used by people well beyond their teens.
I've now noticed, beginning about 6 months ago, that a few posters have been attempting to coerce Virgil to submit to their demands by that same method.
Everyone in a leadership position has to deal with this classic, yet juvenile ploy. And I think Virgil has been very fair and balanced in his attitude in dealing with the issue.
Now, how about some fresh new topics or articles?
Peace to you all,
C. Livingstone |
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- by Virgil on Saturday, September 23 @ 19:12:32 PDT
- by chrisliv on Saturday, September 23 @ 22:05:10 PDT
Re: A Clash of Generations (Score: 1)
by Virgil on Saturday, September 23 @ 21:22:48 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | Just one more comment on this since it's a new occurence, some evangelicals pastors and theologicans have created a round table where they answer the question "What do you hope will ultimately emerge from the emerging church conversation for evangelicals? - click below to read some of their answers that seem to be much in line with the general comment here:
Pastors' and Theologians' Forum on the Emerging Church
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Re: Placing The Preterist Idol Too Close To Another Idol? (Score: 1)
by chrisliv on Sunday, September 24 @ 14:09:01 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | Well,
Since we're probably toward the end of this exchange, it has occurred to me that someone could make Preterism into an Idol.
Could someone put so much hope and wish-fulfillment into Preterism that they might attack another Preterist who they thought might besmirch their idealized Preterist idol by putting it too closely to something that they were afraid might somehow dirty their idol?
For example, the perception that Virgil is "placing" the Preterist idol too close to another idol which is percieved as a bad or competitive idol, i.e., the extra-ecclesiastical Emergent association. That might conceivably be a prompting or a trace factor for some of the recent hostility directed at Planet Preterist.
Maybe not?
Peace to you all,
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