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Exclusive: Why I Reject Old Earth Creationism and The Regional Flood
Posted on Monday, August 07 @ 20:24:10 PDT by Kurt Simmons

PlanetPreterist Columns by Kurt Simmons
There are afoot today doctrines that no one in the history of Christianity or Judaism heard of until recent years. They are modernistic not only because they only recently appeared, but because they take a low view of inspiration and the Bible, and freely reject the written word in favor of their own enlightened and exalted judgment. I refer to “old earth creationism” and the theory of a “regional flood.” Having studied the claims and methodology of these theories, I reject them as Biblically insupportable. Some of my reasons are as follows.

I. The Theories of a Regional Flood and Old Earth

Violate Basic Principles of Biblical Hermeneutics

The first and most fundamental objection to the regional flood and related theories of “day/age” and “gap,” which belong to the theory of “old earth creationism,” is that they violate basic principles of hermeneutics. Hermeneutics is the science of establishing principles and precepts by which writings are interpreted. The first rule of hermeneutics is that a writing is to be interpreted according to the intent of the author. When approaching a document or writing, we thus ask “what did the author intend the reader to understand?” It is not what interpretation a writing will bear, or how cleverly we can argue for hidden or double meanings, or ingeniously construct allegories from a text. But what did the author intend? If the author did not intend a particular meaning to be communicated by a writing, then that meaning is to be rejected as not in the text. No matter how persuasively we argue for its existence, if the author did not intend it to be understood that way, it is not in the text.

Another principle of hermeneutics is that a writing is to be understood literally unless the context requires otherwise. It is not enough that the phraseology may be interpreted figuratively; all language may be interpreted figuratively.  Before we depart from the normal meaning attached to words the author must intend and the context must require it be figuratively understood.  In poetry, prophecy, and apocalyptics the opposite rule obtains.  In dealing with those forms of literature we assume that the language is figurative unless the context demands otherwise.  This assumption is based upon the intention of the author.  The author intends we understand him to be using language hyperbolically.   A related principle of hermeneutics that helps us identify the author’s intent is to first identify the category to which the writing belongs. The class of literature we are dealing with can tell us much about how the author intended it be understood. Are we dealing with poetry and prophecy, or historical narrative? Poetry and prophecy typically are not intended to be interpreted literally, but historical narrative almost invariably is. History that is not literal is not history; it is fiction, myth, or allegory. Prophetic books of the Bible often draw upon historical events for their imagery, but that does not mean that historical books are to be understood figuratively or interpreted in the same manner as books of prophecy. Revelation employs imagery drawn from Genesis, but that does not mean Genesis is of the same genre of literature as Revelation or that we interpret them according to similar principles. John intended Revelation’s imagery to be interpreted figuratively. Virtually all commentators admit this fact. But there is no evidence Moses possessed the like intent in Genesis.

The purpose of Genesis is to provide mankind with an explanation of the origin of life and all that exists; to show man that he is the product of God’s special creation and the object of God’s inestimable love; to explain the fall of the race and the entrance of sin and death; and, finally, to hold out to mankind God’s promise of redemption in Jesus Christ. The history of redemption is interwoven with the history of men and nations. Hence, Genesis also introduces us to the various races and languages of people that sprang from the sons of Noah after the flood. We are introduced to Abraham and God’s promises him, particularly as these involved the children of Israel, the twelve tribes led out of slavery by Moses from Egypt. Among God’s promises to Abraham was that his seed would become a great nation. (Gen.12:2; 17:5; 22:17) Ultimately, this spoke to the spiritual nation and kingdom of believers in Christ, but provisionally this involved the natural children of Israel, whom God constituted a separate nation in Moses among the world’s ancient peoples. Genesis therefore also informed the Israelites of their place in the divine economy, served to demonstrate that the system worship instituted by Moses was divinely ordained, and that it foreshadowed God’s purpose to bring the promised Redeemer into the world through their nation. The purpose of Genesis, therefore, is to communicate historical fact in a simple, straight-forward manner, unadorned by literary ornaments common to poetry and prophecy.

Given the purpose of Genesis, the idea that there is concealed within the creation account a “gap” consisting of millions of years, which elapsed between God’s creation of the heavens and earth and the evening and the morning of the first day, must be rejected. An objective reading will show that no gap is stated or implied. The whole notion is something that advocates of the view have invented and imposed upon the text; the text may bear this imposition (silence will bear many such impositions), but it cannot in fairness be said that Moses intended the reader to understand a gap existed in God’s creation of the cosmos. Certainly, no Biblical writer ever mentions a gap or suggests in any way that such occurred or exists. One can search thousands of years of Jewish and Christian history and will find no suggestion anywhere of a gap.

The day/age theory suffers the same defect. If God intended readers to understand that the six “evenings and mornings” of creation were something other than twenty-four hour days, then he chose a very inconvenient way of communicating that fact. Israel’s system of weekly Sabbaths was predicated upon the literal the account. How strange that the Jews’ national institutions should revolve around something that did not even exist! All Jews, to say nothing of Moses, understood the days of creation literally. The divine record is clear and unequivocal in support of this fact:

“For in six days the Lord God created the heavens, the earth, the sea, and all that in them is.” (Ex. 20:11)

There is no “wiggle” room in this statement. It is a straight-forward affirmation that the cosmos and everything therein was created in the space of days (“six evenings and mornings.[1]”) Other occurrences of the phrase “evening and morning” are equally literal and point to the space of a single twenty-four hour day. The Psalmist employs the phrase “evening, morning, and at noon” to show his daily worship of the Lord (Ps. 55:17) and Daniel uses the space of twenty-three hundred “evenings and mornings” to signify the six and half year space Antiochus Epiphanes would oppress the people of God and defile the temple. (Dan. 8:14, 26)

New Testament writers also understood the days of creation literally. John draws upon the creation account in his gospel by opening with the same three words Moses used (“in the beginning”), and identifies seven literal days in Jesus’ early ministry for the purpose of suggesting that Christ is the spiritual recreation. (Jno. 1:29, 35, 43; 2:1; cf. II Cor. 4:6) If the “evenings and mornings” of Genesis represent millions of years, John certainly was misled to understand them literally. Paul too was misled, for his whole theology of two Adams assumes the literalness of the creation account. (Rom. 5:14-19; I Cor. 15:21-45; cf. I Tim. 2:13, 14; Luke 3. 38) Jesus was also mistaken, for he placed the creation of man “in the beginning” (Matt. 19:4), which it manifestly could not be if millions of years elapsed from the time God began creation until he placed man upon the earth.

Because the theories of old earth creationism and a regional flood are no part of the original intent of Genesis, and find no endorsement by any Biblical writer, they must be rejected as spurious innovations that lack serious scholarship. Former regius professor of Hebrew at Oxford, James Barr’s, famous statement says it best about Genesis’ original intent:

 

 

"Probably, so far as l know, there is no professor of Hebrew or Old Testament at any world-class university who does not believe that the writer(s) of Gen. 1-11 intended to convey to their readers the ideas that (a) creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience (b) the figures contained in the Genesis genealogies provided by simple addition a chronology from the beginning of the world up to later stages in the biblical story (c) Noah's flood was understood to be world-wide and extinguish all human and animal life except for those in the ark. Or, to put it negatively, the apologetic arguments which suppose the 'days' of creation to be long eras of time, the figures of years not to be chronological, and the flood to be a merely local Mesopotamian flood, are not taken seriously by any such professors, as far as I know." [2]

 

 

II. The Theories Old Earth Creationism and Regional Flood are Apologetic Attempts to Reconcile the Bible with Errors of Modern Science

 

The next reason I reject the regional flood and related theories is that they are nothing but attempts to bend the Bible to accord with the errors of modern science. They are modern inventions virtually unknown until little more than an hundred years ago. Their appearance in recent times does not represent a “return to the Bible,” but a departure there from; a capitulation to errors of the theoretical sciences, not a stand upon the word of God. If these theories represented a return to the Bible, we would expect to find at least some evidence that these opinions were espoused in earlier times by Jews or Christians. However, not a single ancient writer can be produced who speaks of the earth being millions of years old or that the flood was merely regional.[3] A survey of ancient sources will make the point.

Among the Jews, Josephus may be taken as representative. Josephus plainly held to six literal days of creation:

Accordingly Moses says that in just six days the world and all that is therein was made; and that the seventh day was a rest, and a release from the labour of such operations; whence it is that we celebrate a rest from our labours on that day, and call it the Sabbath; which word denotes rest in the Hebrew tongue.[4]

Notice that Josephus here cites Ex. 20:11 almost verbatim for the proposition that all creation was completed in the space of just six days. The church fathers also unanimously agree that the days of creation were literal. Space does not permit us to do more than list some representative passages demonstrating the patristic writers’ belief in the literal days of creation. (Justine Martyr, Hortatory Address to the Greeks, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. I, p. 287; Irenaeus Against the Heresies, Bk. 5, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. I, p. 557; Theophilus to Autolycus, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. II, Bk. II, pp. 99-120; Clement of Alexandria, The Stomata, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. II, pp.438, 512-513 ; Tertullian, A Treatise on the Soul, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. III , p. 218; Origen, Against Celsus, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. IV, p. 404, 600-601; The Extant Works and Fragments of Hippolytus, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. V, p. 163; Julius Africanus, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. VI, pp. 130-131; Peter, Bishop of Alexandria, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. VI, p. 283; Methodius, Discourse VII –Procilla, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. VI, p. 333; Discourse IX - Tusiane, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. VI, p. 344; Lactantius, Bk. VII, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. VII, p. 211; Victorinus, On the Creation of the World, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. VII, p. 341)

Concerning Noah’s flood, early Jewish sources are unanimous that the flood was universal. The non-canonical book of I Enoch was written during the intertestamental period.  It is not inspired, but it does give us a view into the understanding of the Jews in the second century before Christ:

Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, and said to him: 'Go to Noah and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. And now instruct him that he may escape and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.[5]

Josephus also unambiguously affirms the universal flood:

Now God loved this man for his righteousness; yet he not only condemned those other men for their wickedness, but determined to destroy the whole race of mankind, and to make another race…he turned the dry land into sea; and thus were all these men destroyed: but Noah alone was saved.[6]

Advocates of the regional flood theory argue for a narrow reading of the term rendered “earth” in the flood account (erets), but not a single translation in existence supports them. Josephus, a priest who could think and speak in Hebrew, is also decidedly against them; he defines the “earth” by the phrase “dry land,” the very term used in Genesis to distinguish the earth from the sea. (Gen. 1:9) Thus, Josephus is saying that the creation was reversed, all the dry land submerged, and chaos resumed, so that a new creation could be made in which Noah would provide the seed.

The church fathers also weigh in on the side of the universal flood.

Theophilus

An Accurate Account of the Deluge:

And this Noah had three sons (as we mentioned in the second book), whose names were Shem, and Ham, and Japhet; and these had three wives, one wife each; each man and his wife. This man some have surnamed Eunuchus. All the eight persons, therefore, who were found in the ark were preserved. And Moses showed that the flood lasted forty days and forty nights, torrents pouring from heaven, and from the fountains of the deep breaking up, so that the water overtopped every high hill 15 cubits. And thus the race of all the men that then were was destroyed, and those only who were protected in the ark were saved; and these, we have already said, were eight. And of the ark, the remains are to this day to be seen in the Arabian mountains. This, then, is in sum the history of the deluge Theophilus, To Autolycus, Bk. III, chap xix, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. II, .pp. 116-117

Clement of Rome

The Recognitions of Clement,  Bk. I

God brought a flood upon the world that the earth might be purified from their pollution, and every place might be turned into a sea by the destruction of the wicked. Yet there was then found one righteous man, by name Noah, who, being delivered in an ark with his three sons and their wives, became the colonizer of the world after the subsiding of the waters, with those animals and seeds which he had shut up with him.

Hippolytus, Refutation of All Heresies, Bk. X, Chapter XXVI.

Jewish Chronology

And in Noah's time there occurred a flood throughout the entire world, which neither Egyptians, nor Chaldeans, nor Greeks recollect; for the inundations which took place in the age of Ogyges and Deucalion prevailed only in the localities where these dwelt.

The sum of this testimony is that all of the dry ground was submerged beneath the waters of the flood; the waters going over the tops of the mountains by fifteen cubits, Noah and his family of all earth’s people alone being saved. Thus, the voice from antiquity is unanimous in affirming the traditional belief about creation and the flood. Not a single source can be produced on the side of regional flood advocates or old earth creationists. There is a good reason why the ancients believed in the literal six days of creation and universal flood: No one reading Genesis could conclude otherwise! The incentive – the only incentive - to depart from the plain language of the text finds its source in modern science and men’s attempts to reconcile the Bible to its claims. It is a case of extra-biblical beliefs and theories driving one’s interpretation of the Bible, rather than allowing the scripture to speak for itself. The ancients lacked the impetus to reconcile the Bible to modern science and therefore affirmed the traditional accounts of the flood and creation, relying upon the Bible as the unsullied word of God.

Modern man, educated in government schools and assaulted on every side by assertions that the earth is billions of years old, feels pressure to make an apology for the Bible; he feels he must “square” the Bible with scientific claims. Such are old earth creationists and regional flood advocates. These men overlook, however, the fact that claims concerning the age of the earth and origin of life do not originate in true empirical science, but the theoretical sciences; branches of science which have no hard evidence for their claims, but build theories upon unproven premises and extrapolations which can never be scientifically shown or demonstrated. Old earth creationists and regional flood advocates thus jettison the Bible in favor of the unproven theories of men. A poor trade off if ever there was one. But if extra-biblical beliefs determine how one interprets the Bible, what is this but to say his beliefs are in fact unbiblical? And so it is that the theories of old earth creationism and a regional flood can never be biblical, since they find their source and impetus outside the Bible.

III. The New Testament Confirms the Cosmos was Destroyed

If there were a question about the literalness of the Old Testament narrative or the definition of the words or phrases employed, the New Testament obviates the discussion by twice affirming that the cosmos was destroyed.

Heb. 11:7 – By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world (Grk. kosmos), and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

 II Pet. 2:5 – And spared not the old world (kosmos), but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world (kosmos) of the ungodly.

In both of these verses the term used to describe the object destroyed by the flood is the Greek word “kosmos.”  Cosmos is the opposite of chaos.  Kosmos is defined as an orderly arrangement, viz., the universe, the world, and/or the inhabitants of the world.   It is distinguished from 1) aion, an age, 2) ge, earth or land, and 3) oikoumene, the inhabited earth, viz., world or Roman empire.  Kosmos is the most expansive word that could have been used; it is the word used to describe the orderly arrangement of the heavens and earth in the Greek translation (Septuagint) account of creation.  (Cf. Jno. 1:10)  If the flood was merely local, the New Testament writers would be expected to have used some less expansive term; to have used a term suggesting only a narrow area of the earth was involved.  But as it is, they used the most expansive term they could.  Thus, by the plain testimony of the New Testament, the entire ordered system of the antediluvian world was destroyed; the chaos that existed before God divided the earth from the sea resumed; the dry land was covered again by waters; the world and its inhabitants completely perished; Noah alone was saved with his house.   

IV. Proponents of the Regional Flood Are Guilty of Insupportable Claims and Irresponsible Exegesis

Old earth creationism and the theory of a regional flood suffer more than bad hermeneutics in their basic suppositions and methodology; they also make many insupportable claims and engage in irresponsible exegesis. Here are a few couple examples of the sort of unsound assertions coming out of this corner.

Assertion that Belief in a Universal Flood Stems from Modern Language, Science, and Dispensationalism

One writer has made assertions that belief in a universal flood is a modern phenomenon; that ancient peoples believed Noah’s flood was merely local.  This assertion is, of course, completely unfounded; not a single ancient writer can be produced that affirms belief in a regional flood. The writer alleges first that belief in a universal flood is owing to modern English:

The question we deal with has always been whether it is proper to read Genesis 6-9 according to a plain-literal approach in regard to the global language as it reads in modern English.

The writer then alleges that belief in a universal flood is the result of modern scientific notions:

The “global flood interpretation is a result of modern Western scientific definitions of the language that are demonstrably foreign to the original authors and audience of the texts.”

The writer then asserts that belief in a universal flood grows out of modern Dispensationalism:

The global flood idea is essentially a dispensational futurist concept born out of the naïve method of literalism.

There is not a single one of the above assertions that has any substance. In fact, they could not be more incorrect. As we have already seen, the unanimous voice of antiquity affirms the universal flood.[7] If anything, it is the idea of a regional flood and old earth creationism that are modern and find their impetus in the errors of modern theoretical sciences. So far as we know, not a single ancient author affirms a regional flood as advocated by the above writer.

Assertion that Noah’s flood consisted of only 20 Feet of Water

And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.  And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.  Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.  And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. Gen. 7:18-22

In an attempt to avoid the implication of the Genesis language above, that the flood waters covered the high hills under heaven to the depth of fifteen cubits, advocates of the regional flood theory suggest that the waters were merely fifteen cubits altogether and did not cover the mountains at all. Of course, there is not a single translation in existence that supports them, but then that has never been a deterrent to their willingness to rewrite the word of God. For argument’s sake, let it be granted that the Hebrew is susceptible of this construction (it’s not), let us test their theory. The scripture says the ark was three hundred cubits long, fifty cubits wide, and thirty cubits high. A cubit is approximately seventeen inches. That means the ark was roughly 425’ x 70’ x 42’. Obvisouly, it is impossible for an ark 425’ long, made of timbers, to be floated in waters only fifteen cubits (20 ft.) deep. Thus, proponents of the regional flood theory are proven wrong again. Their irresponsible treatment of the scripture only serves to demonstrate their error.

V. Old Earth Creationism and a Regional Flood Contradict

Important Doctrines of Scripture

As we have seen, not a single sacred writer or ancient author, Jewish or Christian, can be produced that lends credence to the notions of old earth creationism or a regional flood. All are agreed that creation occurred in the space of six literal days and that the flood was universal in scope. Moreover, we have seen that it is only by violence to the most basic principals of hermeneutics that a case for old earth creationism and a regional flood can be made, and that the sole incentive for imposing these errors on the divine text is to reconcile the declarations of the sacred page with the errors of profane science. These are more than sufficient in themselves to require rejection of these theories. But there are more. Another reason to reject them is their direct contradiction of important doctrines of scripture.

The Doctrine of Two Adams

Perhaps the single most important doctrine in the Bible is the doctrine of “two Adams.” Simply stated, this doctrine holds that by the transgression of our first ancestor all mankind came under the dominion of sin and death, but that in Christ men receive remission of sins and are made heirs of eternal life. Paul states the doctrine in his epistle to the Romans thus:

For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ…For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Rom. 5:17, 19; cf. I Cor. 15:22, 23; 45-49

Paul’s language is interpreted differently by different denominational groups within Christendom. Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Anglican/Episcopal, and Reformed churches interpret Paul’s language in terms of God’s imputing Adam’s legal guilt and accountability to his descendants, thus requiring even infants to be saved (this is the origin of infant baptism). Other churches interpret the language in terms of Adam’s descendants inheriting only the physiological consequences of his transgression, causing them to be at enmity with the things of the Spirit by nature, incapable of living above their carnal appetites. Those holding to this view believe that accountability for sin is personal and attaches only when a child reaches sufficient maturity to understand the nature of his acts and to know that they are wrong. These groups therefore baptize only adults. Despite differences in interpretation, all acknowledge the doctrine of the inherited or imputed nature of Adam’s transgression and consider it an essential tenant of the faith.

Old earth creationists and regional flood advocates, holding that the creation account is a mere fiction or allegory, a symbolic representation, not an actual historical account, must logically deny the doctrine of two Adams. Proponents of these theories urge that God created other men than Adam; that there have been men alive in every age that trace their descent independently of the man and woman mentioned in the Genesis account. Similarly, they believe that the flood was merely regional and that other men survived the flood than Noah. What does this do to the doctrine of two Adams? It destroys it entirely; man is left with no account for his universal fallenness, and Paul is made a perpetuator of myths and teacher of errors. If some men derive their descent independent of Adam, the apostle’s assertion that “in Adam all die” (I Cor. 15:22) is falsified, for some men die apart from Adam. If there were other Adams, obviously there must have been other Eves. The statement of scripture that Eve is the mother of all living (Gen. 3:20) becomes just so much nonsense. And if there were other Adams, may not there also be other Christs? If not why not? Seeing the silence of the scripture does not prevent these men from asserting other Adams, what is to prevent them from asserting there are other Christs? Other Christs requires other brides (churches), and so the door of salvation is opened to all manner of sects. Man no longer needs Jesus to be saved as surely as he no longer needs Adam to be lost!

Perhaps we should ask what authority advocates of old earth creationism and a regional flood offer in support of their assertions God created other men than Adam and that others survived the flood than Noah? The answer: none whatever! Not a single verse of scripture can be marshaled to sustain their views. The theories rest on no other foundation than bare assertion, empty supposition, and appeal to the errors of modern science. Moreover, not only do their assertions have no scriptural basis, they contradict both divine and secular historical accounts of human life and civilization.

It is an interesting and highly significant fact that all recorded history agrees with the sacred page. Unlike the discrepancy between scripture and the errors of modern, atheistic science, there are not two historical worlds: the Biblical world and the “true” world of secular history. All historical accounts, including archaeological investigation and discovery of the growth and spread of the human race, corroborate the Genesis and Biblical accounts perfectly. Unlike the theoretical “sciences” of origins and dating the earth, in history we deal with facts, and these accord with the Bible. Man is first found in the areas of ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, and the Mediterranean. Man and civilized society appear suddenly; he is perfectly formed and possessed of all the arts and sciences: he writes, builds cities, transacts business, records commerce, enacts laws, and administers justice – circumstances impossible to reconcile with the claims of science and evolution. As the population increases, man spreads and new nations are born; some exist in obscurity, others rise to prominence and world power: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome. At the time Herodotus wrote, the inhabited world was bounded in the south by Arabia, in the north by nomadic tribes, in the west by Ethiopia, and the east by India.[8] The assertion that God created other races of men than Adam finds no corroboration in history. All nations known to man can be traced to those that left the ark of Noah; not a single nation can be identified independent of the Biblical account.

This creates an insurmountable hurdle for advocates of old earth creationism and a regional flood. If God created other races of men than those who trace their descent from Adam and if more survived the flood than Noah, then we would expect that the world to have infinitely more people than it presently does and the history of the growth and spread of the race would vary from that set out in the Bible, much as the theoretical science of origins varies from the Genesis account of creation. With each additional man and woman God is alleged to have created, the race would have multiplied proportionately faster. If God created only one other race than Adam, man would have multiplied twice as fast; if two others, thrice as fast, and so forth. However, the picture that emerges from secular history mirrors that of the Bible, showing that mankind has grown from its single, original source in Adam and Noah.

Typological Teaching of the Universal Flood

 If old earth creationists destroy the typological doctrine of two Adams and man’s inherent need of the Savior, regional flood advocates destroy the typological importance of the universal flood and man’s need for salvation only through Jesus Christ. Peter employed the flood and ark as type of baptism and the church to show that only those who obeyed the message to repent and be baptized would be saved:

The longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. I Pet. 3:20, 21

Peter’s argument may be succinctly stated thus: as Noah was saved by obeying the message to prepare the ark, so men are saved today by obedience to the commandment to repent and be baptized, by which they get out of sin and into Christ. But if men other than Noah came safely through the flood, then it follows that men will be saved out of Christ, which the ark typifies, and Peter’s whole analogy is worthless. Again we see the destructive nature of the novel theory of a regional flood and how it strikes at essential tenants of the Christian faith.

Conclusion

Old earth creationism and the notion of a regional flood are apologetic attempts to reconcile the Bible with the errors of modern, theoretical science; they are founded upon bad hermeneutics and contradict numerous plain statements of scripture. Discerning students of scripture will reject these specious theories.

Kurt Simmons

www.preteristcentral.com

[1] “Evenings and mornings” is used because there is no more effective way to communicate a twenty-four hour period. Sun-rise to sunrise has the inconvenience of causing one day to end at the very time men are beginning the labor of the next, and mid-night to mid-night cannot be measured without mechanical assistance. Hence, the space between two evenings is the easiest way to mark the twenty-four hour period making up the period of human activity during the daylight. Moreover, since evening also marks the time men rest, it was especially useful in marking the beginning of the Sabbath, since this began at even.

[2] The whole letter is posted at http://www.geocities.com/ilgwamh/day.html

[3] A possible exception might be writers from among the Greeks who brought spurious pagan notions about the eternality of the universe with them into the church.

[4] Josephus, Antiquities, I, i, 1; Whiston ed.

[5] I  Enoch, Chapter 10; emphasis added.

[6] Ibid, I, iii, 2; Whiston ed.

[7] We avoid the term global because the Bible does not use the term; it says only that all the dry ground was covered, without saying how much dry ground (viz., how many continents) existed at the time.

[8] “India is the farthest part of the inhabited world toward the east…Arabia is the farthest of the inhabited countries toward the south…where the meridian declines toward the setting sun, the Ethiopian territory reaches, being the extreme part of the habitable world.” Herodotus, III, cxvi-xiv.



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by Virgil on Monday, August 07 @ 20:30:00 PDT
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Kurt I am glad you are contributing to this conversation. It's funny you are dealing with this because I just received three cases of Don Stoner's book A New Look at an Old Earth which I have not yet read but I will definitely finish as soon as possible. This is a healthy conversation and there are arguments worth considering from both sides. Perhaps when I have more time later in the week I will deal with some of the points you are raising in this article. Again, thanks for a thoughtful contribution.


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Re: Why I Reject Old Earth Creationism and The Regional Flood (Score: 1)
by Virgil on Tuesday, August 08 @ 18:58:53 PDT
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Kurt,

I don't want to deal with the flood issues raised by you, because it is not my place to do that. I do however have a bone to pick with what you refer to as "six literal days of Creation."

When Exodus 20:11 is quoted to support the idea of a young earth, it is evident to me that old earth folks are not communicating something right. First of all, I do not believe Exodus 20:11 is proving a young earth. Secondly, I do not believe that a six day creation and an old earth are mutually exclusive.

The biggest problem we are dealing with is caused by the very first verse in the Bible, which is translated as "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." The Hebrew here however communicated an idea completely different than what we get in English. In fact, the passage literally should read something like "When God began to create heaven and earth..."

This alone has caused Jewish Rabbis over the centuries to argue over the possibility that God created our planet out of pre-existing matter. This argument is not something that is new to this conversation.

Furthermore, while I am not an expert in Hebrew, I did study this issue long enough to be aware of a major problem with the very first word of Genesis, which is b'reshit. While it is common in English to add a definite article and translate it as "In the beginning" the Hebrew does not support this. If the definite article was intended by the writer, the qamatz vowel would have been included below the bet to create bareshit. That is not the case, with the vowel shva serving as an indefinite article, which could cause b'reshit to be translated as "In a beginning..." or perhaps "When [God] began..."

To learn more about Hebrew phonology, you can take a look at this Wikipedia article which deals with all the details of vocalization (granted it is for modern Hebrew).

It seems to me that this issue alone should be enough to prompt a reasonable person to at least consider the possibility (as many Jewish scholars have done over the millennia) that God did in fact use pre-existing matter to create Earth in six literal days. This does not detract from God's power and glory at all; I do not see how.

I would be curious to see what our resident Hebrew scholar Sam Frost's take on this whole thing is since what I mentioned came from an issue of The Jewish Bible Quarterly.


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Re: Why I Reject Old Earth Creationism and The Regional Flood (Score: 1)
by Starlight on Wednesday, August 09 @ 06:39:38 PDT
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Kurt, I first want to preface my remarks by stating that I have had a deep respect for your scholarship and am indebted to you for greatly enhancing my understanding of Revelation especially concerning your articles on resurrection principles. I have come to the full preterist position in only the past several months but do not consider myself a novice when it comes to scripture. Having made those statements though, I find that I cannot agree with large portions of your stated positions in this current article.

I find your introduction burdened with a simplistic view that has permeated Christianity for generations. As I read your intro the first thought that came to mind was Copernicus and Galileo and a similar mindset that confronted them. Your words echo of Luther’s in a recorded discussion of Copernicus and I quote.

“But that is how things are nowadays: when a man wishes to be clever he must needs invent something special, and the way he does it must needs be the best! The fool wants to turn the whole art of astronomy upside-down. However, as Holy Scripture tells us, so did Joshua bid the sun to stand still and not the earth."

Luther spoke as one who was the enlightened one but we now know it was not the case. In other words your “methodology” toward scripture has similar historical problems itself and I would not presume to use it without recognizing its weakness.

The error that you make is in leading the reader to an overly simplistic understanding of hermeneutic principles especially of Genesis. One of the most misleading dogmas of our age is the idea that the Bible is simple. We as preterist know full well what happens when scripture is read in a wooden literalistic manner. Any serious student of Genesis knows that this book is one of the most complex literary writings ever produced. Good current commentaries on Genesis delve deeply into the manifold complexity of that work. Just saying it fits the mold of other scripture begs the seriousness of your examination and lends credence to a lack of carefulness.

I find that you seem to insinuate that you have correctly identified that the language as literal and that it is the intention of the author and then go on to validate your premise with the collaboration of most other scholars. We in the preterist arena should have learned our lesson on relying upon past and contemporary scholars. If your hermeneutic is flawed your position is flawed it doesn’t matter how ancient the position is or how many support it. Kurt I believe your hermeneutic is seriously flawed. I believe you have critically misidentified the complexity of the literary genre of Genesis. Let me quote from Bruce K. Waltke in his Genesis commentary.

“What, then, is the genre of the Genesis creation account? Following Henri Blocher, we can describe the creation account as an artistic, literary representation of creation intended to fortify God’s covenant with creation. It represents truths about origins in anthropomorphic language so that the covenant community may have a proper worldview and be wise unto salvation. It represents the world as coming into being through God’s proclamation so that the world depends on his will, purpose, and presence.

These two respected Genesis commentators appear to recognize the significant literary genre as not falling into the simplistic literal narrative mold. I believe this lack of recognition of Genesis complex unique literary language is your misstep and therefore your critique is built upon a false premise.

I realize that I just touched the hem of the garment concerning your article but I thought the foundation of your article first needed to be addressed. I am sure that there will be many others from this site whom can dissect the totality of your article.
Blessings
Normbv


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Re: Why I Reject Old Earth Creationism and The Regional Flood (Score: 1)
by Ed on Saturday, August 12 @ 21:08:45 PDT
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Kurt: There are afoot today doctrines that no one in the history of Christianity or Judaism heard of until recent years. They are modernistic not only because they only recently appeared, but because they take a low view of inspiration and the Bible, and freely reject the written word in favor of their own enlightened and exalted judgment

Kurt makes much about doctrines "no one in the history of Christianity or Judaism heard of until recent years." He falsely accuses old earth creationists of having "a low view of inspiration and the Bible..." and that we "freely reject the written word in favor of their own enlightened and exalted judgment."

Harsh words, don't you think? Also, hard to defend. You claim "NO ONE" believed this until recently. Now, you would be far better to make the claim that "very few" believed, but NO ONE...? All I have to do is show you ONE person, not of recent scholarship who believed, and you are proven wrong. And to boot, you included Judaism...man, your pronouncements are so exhaustive and exclusionary that it is easy to prove you wrong. Starlight already did, by showing you what Hebraic scholarship has taught for years "When God began creating the heavens and the earth..." This isn't anything new.

But, I digress. Let me introduce you to some folks you might know. Hmmm, how far back do we need to go? 50 years or so? Let's try Oswald T. Allis, noted OT Reformed scholar. He wrote in 1951, 'The word "day" is used in various senses in Scripture. Exodus xx.8-11 suggests days of twenty-four hours; but Psalm xc.4 and 2 Peter iii.8 declare such an inference to be unnecessary. We cannot be sure, and must not be dogmatic.
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We may well hesitate to assert that the days of Genesis i must be taken literally as days of twenty-four hours. But we should not hesitate to assert that infinite time and endless process are no adequate substitute for or explanation of that fiat creation by an omnipotent God of which this sublime chapter speaks so clearly and emphatically. It is equally true that "one day is with the Lord as a thousand years" and that "a thousand years are as one day"'


Too recent? Okay, how about 80 years? William Jennings Bryan, lawyer, theologian. At the Scopes Monkey Trial, Mr. Clarence Darrow asked him several questions concerning the age of the earth, and Mr. Bryan responded that he didn't think that mattered how long a biblical day was. Finally Darrow asked "The creation might have been going on for a very long time?" Bryan answered "It might have continued for millions of years."

Still too recent? Okay, how about closer to 100 years? BB Warfield said in 1911 "In a word, the Scriptural data leave us wholly without guidance in estimating the time which elapsed between the creation of the world and the deluge and between the deluge and the call of Abraham. So far as the Scripture assertions are concerned, we may suppose any length of time to have intervened between these events which may otherwise appear reasonable. The question of the antiquity of man is accordingly a purely scientific one, in which the theologian as such has no concern."

Ooh, still too modern? Let's try 140 years ago. Charles Hodge, another Reformed scholar and Warfield's professor, wrote in 1863, "Nature is as truly a revelation of God as the Bible; and we only interpret the Word of God by the Word of God when we interpret the Bible by science. As this principle is undeniably true, it is admitted and acted on by those who, through inattention to the meaning of terms, in words deny it. When the Bible speaks of the foundations, or of the pillars of the earth, or of the solid heavens, or of the motion of the sun, do not you and every other sane man, interpret this language by the facts of science? For five thousand years the Church understood the Bible to teach that the earth stood still in space, and that the sun and stars revolved around it. Science has demonstrated that this is n

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Re: Why I Reject Old Earth Creationism and The Regional Flood (Score: 1)
by Ed on Monday, August 14 @ 15:09:49 PDT
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The following quote is from a man named Gus Nichols, posted on John Clayton's site Does God Exist? http://doesgodexist.org/MarApr99/AgeOfTheEarth.html

"Scientists speak of the earth as being millions of years old, and some have thought this sets aside the Bible. But it does not, for the Bible does not say the heavens and the earth were created on the first day of the six days creation. But it says, "In the beginning,", which was an indefinite time in past--"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" ( Genesis 1:1-2). Now, what was the condition of the earth during that time and after the creation of the heavens and the earth, and before the six days of other things? The Bible says, "and the earth was without form and void" ( Genesis 1:1-2 ). The Bible does not say how long the earth was in this condition, and if scientists want to make it millions of years, then the Bible is still true. The Bible does not say this earth is only six thousand years old. God created only light, day and night on this first day of the six days creation ( Genesis 1:1-5). The world "created" is from two different Hebrew words. "In the beginning God created (Bahrah) the heavens and the earth" ( Genesis 1:1). But in Exodus 20:11 we read that "In six days the Lord made (Ahsah) heaven and earth." The first passage means God originally "created" the heavens and the earth, which afterward remained for some time "without form and void", then the second passage means God "made" or arranged the heavens and the earth, in six days, bringing it out of its void and formless state."


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I saw the announcement for you conference (Score: 1)
by JL (jlv@planetpreterist.com) on Monday, August 21 @ 12:02:49 PDT
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Kurt,

It's quite interesting. You start with a tour of Carlsbad Caverns. They'll tell you all sorts of wonderful things. Will you denounce the tour guides as liars?

Let's see. The Guadalupe mountains are formed from limestone. This is a unique type of limestone that is formed from a reef of primarily sponges and algae. This reef grew in a shallow sea, one cell at a time, slowly sinking under it's own weight. After about 40 million years, the sea dried up, the plants and animals of the reef died, and the reef was buried with thousands of feet of sediments. It was compresed to 1800 ft thick. It's 2-3 miles wide and over 400 miles long.

After being buried for 220 million years, about 20 million years ago, local faulting and the stresses in the earths crust caused the reef to be lifted up near the surface. Millions of years of wind, rain, snow, and ice carved away the younger sediments exposing the ancient fossil reef.

Carlsbad Carverns is a very unique set of caves. Most limestone caverens are carved drip by drip from atmospheric carbon dioxide disolved in rain water. Carlsbad however is in an area with too little rainfall. Instead, the ground water in the area is sulfuric acid. As the reef was lifted, the water table slowly lowered. This acid bath dissolved the limestone producing some the the largest underground rooms in the world. It also produced numerous small caves with no conection to the outside world. This process finished 4 to 6 million years ago.

The stalactites and stalagmites have slowly formed from ground water drip-by-drip over the past million years or so.

The tour that starts your conference will contain even more information of that type. You'll have to spend quite a bit of time explaining why the tour guides are all wrong and developing alternate explanations. I look forward to hearing you talk your way out of that bind.

JL


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What About John Walton's Viewpoint?? (Score: 1)
by Windpressor (Giddi_one) on Tuesday, August 22 @ 00:02:22 PDT
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At the end of John Walton's presentation, at about clock 50:00, he concludes (in paraphrase and transcribed near exact in quotes below):

He considers it nearly profane to think of Genesis 1 as God making things; that if "we have misconstrued the text in such material, physical, structural terms" we have to work unnecessarily hard to reconnect to the theology...

There is something much bigger than God making things and the time span for God making things. It is about God's cosmic temple. That is the theology of Genesis 1.

We don't have to ask the questions about the time span for when things came into being.
"That question is not even here; it is not addressed; it is not answered; its not even the issue; its way down on the list. The Bible does not tell us what kind of time frame we have to deal with ..."

I don't see where the text of Genesis has to be about how long God spent mixing and heating and simmering the stew of the universe. The relevance of a particular "beginning" can just as well be when He "began" to set the table and dish out the servings.

This has got to be the best explanation I have found for how to look at Gen 1. If there is something better or a worthy rebuttal, I would like to see it.
Does that view impact the regional/universal flood issues? Don't know yet. Will ponder and review more.

G1

If any have not yet reviewed the Walton lecture, check at Scientific Cosmology and Christianity

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