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Lobbying for Armageddon
Posted on Saturday, August 05 @ 20:13:56 PDT by Virgil |
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freeman submitted: "Some influential evangelical leaders are lobbying for an attack on Iran. But it's not about geopolitics -- it's about bringing about the End Times. In a perfect world, a reporter at last week's press conference with George Bush and Tony Blair would have asked Bush, in the presence of his principal European ally, if he believes the European Union is the Antichrist.
Although it sounds like the kind of Pat Robertson lunacy that makes even the wingnuts run for the nearest exit, it's a question Bush should be forced to answer. Bush and other leading Republicans have lined up behind a growing movement of Christian Zionists for whom a European Antichrist figures prominently in an end-times scenario. So they should be forced to explain to the rest of us why they're courting the votes of people who believe our allies are evil incarnate. Could it be that the central requirement for their breathlessly anticipated Armageddon -- that the United States confront Iran -- happens to dovetail so nicely with the neoconservative war agenda?
At the center of it all is Pastor John Hagee, a popular televangelist who leads the 18,000-member Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas. While Hagee has long prophesized about the end times, he ratcheted up his rhetoric this year with the publication of his book, "Jerusalem Countdown," in which he argues that a confrontation with Iran is a necessary precondition for Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ. In the best-selling book, Hagee insists that the United States must join Israel in a preemptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West. Shortly after the book's publication, he launched Christians United for Israel (CUFI), which, as the Christian version of the powerful American Israel Public Affairs Committee, he said would cause "a political earthquake."
Go here to read the rest of the article:
http://alternet.org/story/39748/
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Re: All The "Pastor Strangelove's" Around The Landscape (Score: 1)
 by chrisliv on Saturday, August 05 @ 21:30:34 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Yeah,
I think it is just a matter of time until some sectors of the mainstream Media, or maybe even the ACLU types, notice the Preterist position and begin advocating for it, or at least pointing Christian-oriented to it as a sane and biblical alternative to all of the "Pastor Strangeloves" around the landscape.
Even they should see that it's in their best interest, and that Preterist position is pretty obvious from the Bible.
Peace to you all,
C. Livingstone |
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Re: Lobbying for Armageddon (Score: 1)
 by Islamaphobe on Saturday, August 05 @ 21:38:03 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | O.K., I'll take the bait. I did read the rest of the article and a generous sampling of the numerous posts, most of which condemned Hagee & company and many of which treated Christianity with contempt and scorn. There were exceptions. There were even a few posts that suggested that perhaps Ahmadinejad, the Iranian mullahs, and the end-times theology of Shiism are at least as big a problem as pastor Hagee, Pat Robertson, and company.
As a person who regards the religion of Islam as the number one problem confronting the world today and who admires George Bush for going at least part of the way to face this problem, I admit that I have some difficulty understanding the extreme degree of Bush hatred and the widespread tendency among people in the West, certainly in this country, as well, to blame Israel and conservative Christians for the present predicament in the Middle East. Bush is indeed a Methodist (a liberal denomination), but I see no evidence that the Rev. Hagee is telling him what to do, nor is it clear to me that Bush buys into dispensationist theology hook, line, and sinker. It is clear to me, however, that some real religious nuts are in control in Iran and are deadset on destroying Israel and, ulltimately, this nation as well. Their theology requires it. The chief opponents of such people in that part of the world are those who advocate authoritarian rule of some sort.
I have not seen much evidence that those who post anti-Bush and anti-U.S. government comments on this site have spent much time studying the theology and history of Islam. I hope that some of them will start spending more time reading about Islam and less worrying about the Rev. Hagee. The present world crisis notwithstanding, the dispies are not in control of this nation's foreign policy; and Israel deserves to survive based on its own merits, not because of a screwball theology that more and more people are coming to understand as such.
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Militant Bloodthirsty Dispensationalists (Score: 1)
by EWMI on Saturday, August 05 @ 21:46:40 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Anyone who has been exposed to these people has heard hard-core dispys scream and shout for war and more war. I have heard them say that God wants Damascus to be nuked. AND THEY ARE PRAYING FOR IT. Frankly I think they are going to get it done.
These folk rejoice at the deaths of Palestinians and Arabs whether or not they are Muslims. Many Prets have come from Amil or Historicist backgrounds. They have not heard the kind of war mongering of which I speak. Neither have they seen impact of the Jewish and Christian fundamentalist marriage.
Do not dismiss the wretched blood thirstiness of these wolves in sheeps clothing. Every day they pray for a 1000 Lebanons. To them Global Thermonuclear War is the ultimate fantasy. They are the true enablers of serial wars.
For those who doubt, I pose this scenerio:
What if Fallwell, Hagee, Hinn etc stood up and said:
"Mr President, the Iraq war has now killed about 300,000 people. It has cost us about 400,000 million (4 Billion) dollars. Even the CIA has said that world terrorism is the worst it has ever been. We went to liberate Iraq but instead we have brought what your own highest military and diplomatic officials are now calling civil war to this land. We have dumped at least 20,000 times more radiation in Iraq than Hiroshima, totally poisoning the land and soon the entire middle east. Enough Is Enough.
We will mobilise and vote you out of office before we let you lead us to another self distructive war."
If those words were to fall from the lips of our so called leaders the Government would listen. |
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Interesting Admission - Hannity & Colmes (Score: 1)
by EWMI on Sunday, August 06 @ 04:57:13 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Hannity is interviewing former Israeli PM Barak:
HANNITY: Mr. Prime Minister, did I hear you correctly a few moments ago when you said that when Israel was in Lebanon and perhaps stayed too long, that aided or contributed to the proliferation of Hezbollah?
BARAK: Of course, our very presence there produced the Hezbollah. I remember them at the beginning, when they began to operate after a few years that we were there, and you could shoot them like ducks, in a kind of way.
But later on, as the result of the hits that we inflicted on them and as the result of natural selections about those who survived, they improved greater. There is a learning curve.
Link:
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Re: Lobbying for Armageddon (Score: 1)
 by Virgil on Sunday, August 06 @ 18:19:56 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | I will never understand why so many of you guys (us frequent users of PP) have to take extreme sides on this issue; it seems as if when it comes to the Middle East, Preterists just go crazy...either on anti-Israel or anti-Arab/Muslim trips. The issue seems to me to be so much more complicated that many of us are jumping to conclusions too quickly instead of showing care and compassion...to BOTH sides.
Innocent people are dying on both sides of this conflict. Terrorists are called "freedom fighters" and vice versa; the media is going berserk with faking photos of destroyed Beirut and ignoring the suffering on Israel's side. The rhetoric does not serve and benefit anyone really; instead, we should understand that it is all happening because God's principles and the reality of his Kingdom is not being understood and put into practice. |
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Re: Lobbying for Armageddon (Score: 1)
 by Windpressor (Giddi_one) on Monday, August 07 @ 03:08:28 PDT
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I read from several links posted at the July 20 article:
Where are the Christians?
At one of those sites I browsed to another link with a book of introduction to Islamic eschatology:
Will Islam Be Our Future?
A Study of Biblical and Islamic Eschatology
I have read a few of the 1st chapters. I think it has some dispy leanings but seems to have pertinent insights to Muslim aggressions.
G1
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