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Re: American Vision: A Flood of Consistency (Score: 1)
 by JL (jlv@planetpreterist.com) on Sunday, July 09 @ 15:12:07 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Virgil,
You might want to look at what Ice said. I don't think Eric Rauch even began to answer Ice's contention.
http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=271
Ice does claim that this is not a new argument. True, but he made a serious upgrade to it recently. His new version is devastating to YEC-preterists.
JL
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Re: American Vision: A Flood of Consistency (Score: 1)
 by Sam on Monday, July 10 @ 20:43:14 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Tim,
The argument is sound both ways. The global flood (having universal effects) does not rule out a local judgment (Jerusalem) having universal effects. The fact that a local judgment (having universal effects) does not NECESSITATE that the Deluge was also local. It may be entirely unique in that regard (since there is nothing proving it to the contrary). In other words, there is nothing inconsistent for young earthers/global floodists to teach also the universal implications of the local judgment of Jerusalem.
The ISSUE, and ALWAYS the issue, is biblical interpretation. You have tried to demonstrate that the universal language in Genesis can mean a local event since many examples abound of "all" and "every" and "the whole world" as being local in other places in the Bible. True. However, sometimes, in many places, "all" "every" and "the whole world" are quite universal, logically speaking. The question is how we attempt to define "all" in its usages. There is a rhetorical "all" and a logical-universal qualifying "all" (like "all men are mortal").
For me, there is no biblical "proof" offered that overturns seeing II Peter 3 as local (with universal effects) and Noah as universal. Certainly, "science" can offer no "proof" of what "really happened." They were not there to "observe" it. Thus, we are left with the biblical record and two choices: local versus univeral flood, and both are quite plausible in the exegetical world (although contradictory since both cannot be true, obviously). It is to be commended and allowed as Christian and Bible-believing that local arguments still maintain that Noah was a real historical character (this has the liberals laughing right there!), and not just a "myth" or "made up fiction" to propogandize the Jehovist (J) or Elohist (E) divisions between north and south Isael. This is the most important point, and thus, I can commend your scholarship in this area. You believe the Bible. You just believe in a local judgment theory. Fine. I don't. Fine.
Since I God cured me of lust for beer, perhaps we can settle this some more over a Coke in Arizona!
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