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Death will not be conquered by Jesus returning to the earth. It will be conquered when the church stands up boldly and says, 'We have dominion over the earth!' How else will God be able to show Satan a people for whom death holds no fear, over whom death no longer has any power? When God can do that, Satan's hold on us will be broken forever!"
-- Earl Paulk, "The Proper Function of the Church"
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Preterism: Announcing an Upcoming Formal Public Debate on Eschatology!!
Posted on Tuesday, May 02 @ 11:32:44 PDT by Don Preston |
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Recently, a reader on our website posted one of my articles, on God's Chosen People on The Free Republic website. The ensuing blogs were fast and furious! Over 750 posts were made in just a few short days! The topic was whether modern Israel remains the chosen people of God, and whether Christ will one day return to establish the kingdom on earth. The issue of preterism versus futurism (dispensationalism) became the hot topic of discussion. One participant in the discussions was a dispensational minister from Atlanta, Michael Bugg. To make a long story short, negotiations have been undergoing to arrange a formal public debate, and I have just received notification from Mr. Bugg that he will indeed meet me in a formal, four night, public debate.
Mr. Bugg comes across as a very nice, congenial, dedicated man. I am convinced that this will be a very cordial debate, and beneficial to all those who attend.
The debate will be held in Memphis, Tenn. and the dates are August 21-24, Monday-Thursday. Specific times and location in Memphis have not yet been determined, but as soon as those details are made, they will be posted here and on other websites as well.
The propositions for the debate are:
Resolved: The Bible teaches that the second, i.e. final coming of Christ, and the resurrection of the dead, occurred at the end of the Old Covenant Age of Israel in the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70.
Affirm: Don K. Preston
Deny: Michael Bugg
Mr. Bugg will affirm the following:
Resolved: The Bible teaches that due to the first century Jewish rejection of Jesus, the promise of the Davidic kingdom has been (was) postponed until the establishment of the Davidic kingdom on earth at the end of the current Christian Age.
Affirm: Michael Bugg
Deny: Don K. Preston
As you can see, the propositions are very important!
Preterism continues to grow and spread everywhere. Yet, while many ministers want to throw around labels of "heresy" and "false teachers" against advocates of Covenant Eschatology, few have the courage to actually present their case for those charges, or to defend their charges in the light of open discussions. Mr. Bugg is to be commended for his dedication, courage and convictions.
This four night discussion will provide an opportunity for you to hear both sides of two popular views of eschatology. With current events being labelled as signs of the soon coming end of the age, with Israel in the news, with the wildly popular Left Behind books and movies convincing millions that the end is near, this debate provides a great opportunity to hear whether or not that theology is Biblical. On the other hand, the rapid rise of preterism, sweeping across all denominational boundaries, has raised serious questions about "orthodoxy." Mr. Bugg will present his case that futurism is indeed the valid paradigm.
Book tables will be provided so that you can purchase materials representative of both sides of the discussion. Whether you are a preterist or futurist, I encourage you to do your best to attend this debate. Claims have been made, by prominent ministers in Memphis, that no one is interested in hearing a debate on preterism. Let's show them that there is interest, a lot of interest! Let's fill the building! Pass the word, talk it up, and be there!
Feel free to contact me if you have questions.
Don K. Preston dkpret@cableone.net
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Re: Announcing an Upcoming Formal Public Debate on Eschatology!! (Score: 1)
 by chef (kontoya@earthlink.net) on Tuesday, May 02 @ 13:32:39 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | That sounds great! Could ya'll make that Knoxville?
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Re: Announcing an Upcoming Formal Public Debate on Eschatology!! (Score: 1)
 by Reformer on Tuesday, May 02 @ 15:48:07 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | I must say, that as much as I disagree with Don Preston's opponent and support Don, I also must disagree with Don's position on this one point.
I find no scriptural terminology or justification for asserting that A.D. 70, or any other point of time/event, was or will be a "final coming" after which there will be, or cannot be, more comings of Jesus.
Of course, Don and I agree that Jesus' coming in judgment in A.D. 70 ended the age and fulfilled all things. But where do we get the imperative, the hermeneutic, or the text, supporting a position that post A.D 70 this aspect of his previous and multi-demonstrated immanancy with we humans has terminated ???
Please show me (from Scripture only) how I may be wrong on this. To date, all I have received when I've raised this issue are emotional assertions. That won't do.
Blessings,
John Noe
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Re: Announcing an Upcoming Formal Public Debate on Eschatology!! (Score: 1)
by doughoist on Tuesday, May 02 @ 17:04:34 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Awsome!!!
I love all of Don's debates. I just didn't think there was anyone who would dare debate him again. Don has been willing to take on all comers but they have been getting fewer and farther between. I wish I could be there but I trust there will be tapes.
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Re: The Kingdom and The Gospel: The Same (Score: 1)
 by chrisliv on Tuesday, May 02 @ 17:12:05 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Yeah,
I just recently got a reprint of the 1927 book by Philip Mauro, entitled, The Gospel of the Kingdom: An Examination of Modern Dispensationalism. In the 4th and 5th chapters, "The Beginning of the Gospel" and "The Kingdom of God: Has It Been Postponed?" Mauro shatters the Dispensational position, making specific reference to how utterly unfounded the The Schofield Reference Bible notes are.
Of course, the gist is that The Gospel and The Kingdom are the same, and cannot be separated by futurist notions, i.e., if The Kingdom is out in the future somewhere, then so is The Gospel.
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