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“I still believe that the day of the Lord is near, even at the door”
-- William Miller
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THE HISTORY OF ESCHATOLOGY
Posted on Wednesday, April 26 @ 11:18:18 PDT by John |
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Barry submitted: "Allow me to say that I speak for myself. I am not speaking for my friends at Talk-grace but for myself.
Allow me to say that I am not yet prepared to fully defend this view yet.
Allow me to say that to even look at it and read it will require at least a temporary setting aside of our traditionally based views.
My caps are not shouting but “bolding”.
The Bible is the history of eschatology from Adam to Christ’s completed work with the first-fruits. This is the CONSUMMATION of the HISTORY of eschatology!
As eschatology is coming to its consummation all of its past history which both lead to this point and witnessed this point must be raised up and judged.
Matt. 23:33-36
Notice that “all the righteous blood” really covers the “recorded history” of that blood. The point that is being made here deals particularly with a consummation of history!
How did the righteous blood of Able still speak until the day in which the Hebrew writer mentioned it? The blood of Able spoke in the recorded history of eschatology. He received a “witness” and “good report”.
And so the history of eschatology had a measure to it toward its consummation. A measure that would be finalized in a terminal generation. That terminal generation would fill up that measure and bring consummation. That terminal generation would be measured against the history of eschatology from Adam. The blood of Abel was still speaking.
Matt. 11:20-24
Jude 7
The example of eternal fire is historical. It too spoke until this day and was saying something to Capernaum. It spoke of a miniature consummation, a finishing with something through permanent destruction. But this destruction would not simply be outward but covenantal status. The consummation of biblical history is the consummation of the old covenant from Adam.
What is being said historically? Words of judgment! Had Sodom benefited from the wonders that Capernaum had witnessed Sodom would have never been destroyed! Sodom would have had a different history. Yes indeed, Sodom would fair better in the coming day of judgment than Capernaum would! In historical consummation they would fair better.
Yes, Tyre and Sidon spoke similar words in the history of eschatology.
Matt. 12:39-42
How is Nineveh about to rise up in judgment and condemning that generation?
How is the Queen of the south about to rise up in judgment and condemning that generation? It is their temporal lives in this realm that are raised up and used as measures of judgment. The context of their temporal life in history is raised up both individually and corporately.
Matt. 3:12
Mark 9:42-49
Jeremiah 23:39-40
Isaiah 24:24
Rev. 14:11
The “worm never dies” historically.
The “fire” is historical judgment.
The smoke is historical.
The shame is perpetual, and shall not be forgotten.
The “old” cannot inherit the new. This is the consummation of biblical history.
One of the greatest problems that we have in the fulfilled view is what to do with the terminal generation as if all of that generation both just and unjust were ruptured away or lived perfectly as they were prior to judgment.
The evil ones are cast out forever, and the righteous are rewarded eternally. Then we try to respond to the message of fulfillment in our temporal framework as having some relevance to us today. And the relevance that we come up with can rarely be adapted to the temporal lives of those who lived through and beyond the consummation of biblical eschatology.
All of the evil ones (we will call it unbelief) are condemned as pertains to what they were in their temporal life in the old age and you are not going to get out of it. It is permanent. The crown of life is permanent.
We are given the same resounding message over and over again. “Hold fast firm until the end.” “will complete it (a good work begun in you) until the day of Christ” ECT. They were never told to hold fast beyond the end (I Peter 1:8-9).
What was consummated historically could not be undone! The context of their temporal lives until the end of the age became historically permanent. Those faithful in transformation did not suffer the second death. Those not, are shamed in death and destroyed permanently to enter into life of the new age. The life of the new age where there is no eschatology and no consummation of the age. For God is faithful
“For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes.”
In the consummation of biblical history, everything within that history is given its ultimate relevance with the framework of that history.
That consummation not only brings in a new age but it establishes that new age. A new age without eschatology. A new age which contains an outworking of the very character of the age that has no eschatology. An age of perpetual development. An age of responsibility not accountability. This is our present measure. Love. Relationship. An age of infinite grace and yet still, consequences, with its own history, which has no consummation.
My little article here on “Immortalized Moments and Element” is a nice bit of extra reading even if it is outdated a bit now.
I am not willing to debate this matter but would enjoy friendly discussion. If both you and I are completely aware that I do not have all the answers we will surly get along fine.
I do believe that my existence outside of this temporal historical framework is something that God has covered when I die. My view however is that resurrection in the consummation of eschatology dealt with the life of this temporal existence. This life. This life was given justification of life. There was a resurrection of the dead. Resurrection however is archaeologically dependent.
Look forward to hearing from you,
Love, Barry "
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Re: THE HISTORY OF ESCHATOLOGY (Score: 1)
 by Barry on Wednesday, April 26 @ 14:20:22 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Being dyslexic, having attention deficit disorder and having no left-brain to speak of has its drawbacks LOL.
The last sentence is supposed to be “Resurrection however is eschatologically dependent.” Sorry. :)
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- by Virgil on Wednesday, April 26 @ 21:34:21 PDT
- by Barry on Wednesday, April 26 @ 21:58:07 PDT
Re: THE HISTORY OF ESCHATOLOGY (Score: 1)
by amie on Thursday, April 27 @ 11:47:52 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Barry,
If there is an end to eschatology, a completion of everything, then nothing else would be "ongoing" ;)-- Do you have your list handy?
Amie |
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- by Barry on Thursday, April 27 @ 12:18:40 PDT
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