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Who wrote the Revelation?
Posted on Thursday, April 13 @ 18:12:19 PDT by kalos |
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psychohmike submitted: "I am posting this because I never even thought about the idea of Revelation having been written by anyone other than the Apostle John. Kind of like preterism...most people don't even know that there is another option. I wonder what implications this could have on the dating of the Revelation and would love to know what everyone thinks or might know in addition to these things.
Authorship - modern views
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation
Although the traditional view still has many adherences, many modern scholars believe that John the Apostle, John the Evangelist, and John of Patmos refer to three separate individuals. Certain lines of evidence suggest that John of Patmos wrote only Revelation, not the Gospel of John or the Epistles of John. For one, the author of Revelation identifies himself as "John" several times, but the author of the Gospel of John never identifies himself directly. While both works liken Jesus to a lamb, they consistently use different words for lamb — the Gospel uses amno, Revelation uses arnion. Lastly, the Gospel is written in nearly flawless Greek, but Revelation contains grammatical errors and stylistic abnormalities which indicate its author may not have been as familiar with the Greek language as the Gospel's author. Proponents of the single-author view explain these differences in various ways, including but not limited to factoring in underlying motifs and purposes, authorial target audience and the author's collaboration with and/or utilization of different scribes.
From Wikipedia,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Patmos
John of Patmos is the name given to the author of the Book of Revelation (or Book of the Apocalypse) in the New Testament. According to the text of Revelation, the author, who gives his name as "John", is living in exile on the Greek island of Patmos. In Revelation, he writes to the seven Christian churches in Asia to relate two apocalytic visions he has had. He is sometimes known as the "Eagle of Patmos".
John of Patmos is often referred to as John the Divine, in reference to the divination he received which constitutes Revelation. Indeed the full title of the Book of Revelation is The apocalypse of Saint John the Divine, with apocalypse simply being a greek word for revelation, and Divine an old usage meaning one who has had a revelation.
Traditionally, it has been believed that John of Patmos, the author of Revelation, was the same person as both John, the apostle of Jesus and John the Evangelist, author of the Gospel of John. Justin Martyr, writing in the early 2nd century was the first to equate the author of Revelation with John the apostle.[1] Others contend that they were at least three separate individuals.
John the Presbyter, teacher of Papias, bishop of Hieropolis in the early 2nd century, is often conflated with John of Patmos or with the Apostle. The church historian Eusebius of Caesaria and Dionysius of Alexandria both identified the John in Revelation as John the Presbyter. However, since John was a common name among early Christians it cannot be ruled out that John of Patmos was a John distinct from John the evangelist, John the apostle and John the author of the Johannine epistles."
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Re: Who wrote the Revelation? (Score: 1)
 by JL (jlv@planetpreterist.com) on Thursday, April 13 @ 18:38:15 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | There's a better explanation. John didn't know Greek.
The early church documents that Peter did not know Greek and that is why Mark wrote a gospel for Peter. The early church also documented the name of the scribe who wrote John's gospel but did not know the name of the scribe for The Revelation. The Aramaic version of John's Gospel and The Revelation have passed all statistical linguistics tests for common authorship put to them. The Greek version only passes tests for word usage. The Aramaic version of both books contains word plays that are lost in the Greek.
All of this leads me to believe that John wrote and/or dictated both books in Aramaic and two different scribes translated them to Greek.
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Re: Who wrote the Revelation? (Score: 1)
 by Waidmann on Thursday, April 13 @ 18:58:38 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Mike,
If you're interested, there is a book written sometime in the late 60s/early 70 called "The Passover Plot". It goes into great detail in explaining why the author (can't remember who) believed that none of "John's" books were written by John, son of Zebedee. He believed that they were written by an unknown priest who lived in Jerusalem, and who owned the house where the Last Supper was held.
Not sure I buy it, but that part of the book was interesting.
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Re: Who wrote the Revelation? (Score: 1)
 by jaredcoleman (jaredcoleman@gmail.com) on Thursday, April 13 @ 19:43:14 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | | In a recent issue of BAR (not the one that just came out, but the one before that), Ben Witherington III argues that the "beloved disciple" was actually Lazarus. I wasn't sure from the article if he thought the Lazarus wrote the entire gospel that has been attributed to John, or just the account of the crucifixion. Either way, it was a really interesting argument. |
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