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News: An Interview with Greg Boyd
Posted on Tuesday, March 28 @ 09:59:55 PST by John |
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Our own Jared Coleman had the privilege to recently interview Greg Boyd, the author of The Myth of a Christian Nation : How the Quest for Political Power Is Destroying the Church. The book is published by Zondervan and will hit the market on May 1, 2006. This is a great interview, and is especially relevant to those of us who like to be involved in politics and the social aspects of our faith.
Click here to read Jared's interview with Greg Boyd
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Re: An Interview with Greg Boyd (Score: 1)
 by chrisliv on Tuesday, March 28 @ 13:07:27 PST
(User Info | Send a Message) | Yeah,
Nice interview.
The book probably has some good, anti-statist points. And books like his may help people to begin to be less-idolatrous toward the State, or its federal auxiliary, the United State.
That's definitately helpful, and a place to start for many state-incorporated churchgoers.
Of course, I take a far harder line that Mr. Boyd, and will easily say that the State is anti-Christian cult which is built on a foundation of extortion, force, and bloodshed. But, books espousing stuff like that doesn't have much marketability in North America.
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Re: An Interview with Greg Boyd (Score: 1)
 by Virgil on Tuesday, March 28 @ 13:52:30 PST
(User Info | Send a Message) | Great interview Jared...and congratulations...again! I will now have to grab a copy of his book and read it in detail. I just looked at Greg's biography:
http://www.gregboyd.org/images/boyd_vita.pdf (PDF).
I would be curious to see what he thinks of Libertarian philosophy..too bad we don't all know the right people that can put us in touch with him and shoot the breeze about these issues. :) |
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Re: An Interview with Greg Boyd (Score: 1)
 by JeffE on Tuesday, March 28 @ 20:22:05 PST
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Is Dr. Boyd a preterist now? I met him here in Minnesota and he told me "Revelation is not a future book." |
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Re: An Interview with Greg Boyd (Score: 1)
 by Parker on Wednesday, March 29 @ 05:57:17 PST
(User Info | Send a Message) | [BOYD:]
They are often frustrated by the arbitrary and self-serving moralistic politicizing of "the right wing." They see how this is undermining the advance of the kingdom in America.
[PARKER:]
Is Mr. Boyd really this naive? Has he never noted that when Christianity is leveraged in support of Marxism/the Democratic Party it is hailed as "genius" and "enlightened" by the press? Has Mr. Boyd never noted that the Left Wing famously marches out Reverands Jackson and Sharpton and others in support of all manner of "justice" issues? C'mon. The Democratic Party LOVES moralizing, and they love it any time Christianity appears to back their agendas. The mainstream media adore the Roman Catholic Church when it comes to its general opposition to the death penalty, but they HATE and deride it when it comes to the Church's position on abortion, marriage, and homosexuality.
[BOYD]
These folks tend to leap for joy at the message of my book The Myth of a Christian Nation. Many have told me this book - or the sermon series that lead up to it -- articulates and demonstrates an intuition they've had for a long time.
[PARKER]
Intuition must be backed by the facts. Gary DeMar should debate Mr. Boyd and do it repeatedly. America is as much a Christian nation as Israel is a Jewish Nation as Iran is an Islamic nation as Italy and Poland are Catholic nations. Anyone that says otherwise has cut himself off from history and evidentiary investigation.
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Re: An Interview with Greg Boyd (Score: 1)
by DavidF on Thursday, March 30 @ 11:04:49 PST
(User Info | Send a Message) | Greg Boyd has overlooked “not a few” crucial Preterist realities about the civil/political intentions of the saints.
I would like to start with something Rich wrote in the comments here:
"Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men”. This verse was concerned about non-Christian authorities in the 1st Century, however, the Scriptures plainly show that the Lord’s sake changed on one glorious day in A.D. 70 and the only state authority “instituted among men” since that time is The Kingdom of God through Jesus Christ, and His government.
The following passages show the Lord’s purposes post A.D. 70 and only He knows how many millenniums He will use to carry these things out, nonetheless we can see that His revealed will is being done on earth as it is in heaven, as well as His secret will.
“to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called… Mighty God… Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end… establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.” Isa. 9:6-7
“there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed… the saints of the Most High will receive the kingdom and will possess it forever—yes, for ever and ever.” Dan. 7:13-28
The ancient Greeks are well known for their democratic city states and the form of civil government they used was called the ecclesia. It is a word for a political assembly of all the citizens of the city, called together to take care of civil business, exactly like town hall meetings are conducted across the USA today. Acts 19:23-41 uses the word 3 times to describe the civil ecclesia in Ephesus, and this shows us in part that ecclesia did not carry a religious usage at that time.
Why did Jesus Christ use this word to describe the institution He would develop? MT 16 is the passage where He said He would build His “ecclesia” (see the Greek in MT 16:18), and remember, in A.D. 30 the word was strictly used to denote a form of civil government in Greek cities. It was not a religious institution.
If Christ wanted to signify that He was building a “religious” establishment He could have used words that described Greek religious assemblies, like thiasos, eranos, koinon, synodos, or even kuriakos (where the word “church“ comes from) but He did not use these examples. He used a well known political/civil term - ecclesia - to explain His government organization.
Kingdoms have forms of government which enable them to function effectively. The kingdom is not the government. The kingdom is the area over which a king has authority to adjudicate. The government on the other hand is the body of office holders within that kingdom/area who carry out the day to day functions of oversight in the king’s interest, for the king’s sake. For example, modern day England is a kingdom, the area over which the king (or queen in this case) has authority to adjudicate. However, the government in England is a form called parliament.
Ancient Greece was a kingdom, but the form of government in that kingdom was called an ecclesia. Jesus Christ has a kingdom, an area over which He has authority to adjudicate ("All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” Matt. 28:18) and He chose the Greek ecclesia form of civil government to shape His organization, to carry out the day to day government functions within His kingdom.
So then, a state or civil form of government is the character He purposed for His institution
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