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Posted on Friday, February 10 @ 11:49:23 PST by Virgil Vaduva

PlanetPreterist Columns by Virgil Vaduva
As many of you know, I have spent the last several days at the Yale University’s Divinity School attending the 2006 Emergent Theological Conversation. I have been thinking about whether or not I should write about this at all. I feel that no matter what I say regarding Emergent I could hurt someone’s feelings or upset someone, but I am more convinced than ever that conversation and careful open dialogue regarding controversial issues is the correct approach to solving any controversial issue and problem, so please entertain my musings on Emergent and feel free to give me plenty of feedback.

An Emergent Theology?

If you do not know what Emergent is, perhaps it is time for you to familiarize yourself with them. Emergent (to be found at emergentvillage.com) is a loose but developing network of small groups (called cohorts) and churches that choose to take alternative approaches to worship, conversation and Christianity in general. Made of mostly evangelical “rejects” (to use their own description), Emergent prides itself in keeping many believers from leaving the faith because of issues of acceptance over theological and personal differences with what is being perceived as mainstream evangelical churches. At Yale we met people from various backgrounds and persuasions; there were conservatives, liberals, Pentecostals, Baptists and Catholics, so many people from many backgrounds are interested in hearing what Emergent has to say. And this is where the movement shines most: their simple approach to conversation and “in the round” style of worship creates a wonderfully conducive atmosphere for worship and dialogue.

Now, you may ask yourself what Preterism has to do with any of this, but maybe that is the wrong question to ask. The answer is: everything and not much! In my recent encounters with emergent folks, I have observed a tremendous openness to the message of Preterism. In essence every single individual involved with the emergent thinking readily recognized the merits of Preterist theology when they encountered it. Some complained that Preterism is “too systematic” for them, but has a great potential. Others like Brian McLaren readily admit that a proper placing of the Parousia makes a stringent social statement regarding many important issues, such as environmentalism, poverty, war and justice. Andrew Perriman, an emergent scholar, wrote what seems to be a sound preteristic book on eschatology. But ultimately, most folks I’ve discussed Preterism with do not see it as a major factor into what Emergent is trying to do. They do not get Preterism, therefore it is highly unlikely any of these people will ever become Preterists. But at the end of the day, is that what our goal as Preterist should be? Should we continue to subscribe to a conversional mentality, or should we instead shift our attention to conversing on whatever common ground we have?

Despite the loose nature of Emergent, I did notice some tendencies of systematizing the “emergent theology.” Apparently there is an “Emergent Theology” volume in the works and it will come out later this year. This is good and ironic at the same time, ironic mostly because emergent folks usually tend to complain about theology being too systematic and want to go back to the first-century and early roots of Christianity when doctrine was indeed emerging and when Christians were able to talk about everything and anything while developing their theology; a good thing because it will give many outsiders an opportunity to reconsider Emergent and grasp what their theology is all about and whether or not the “modern Jesus” offers the solutions so many people are looking for.

Conversional or Conversational?

Without a doubt, there is some thinking that I agree with regarding modern Christianity creating “a Jesus” to their liking, a Jesus that no longer looks like the Jesus of the Scriptures, and to some extent, Emergent seems to be reacting – and rightly so – to the theological manufacturing process of modernism where canned theology is pumped out daily to masses of believers who pass and respectively fail litmus tests applied by their peers. Those passing the tests are embraced, exalted and lauded; those failing are excluded and rejected, and many leave the Christian faith forever. Ultimately, like someone earlier this week said, Emergent is in some way leading the way in saving Jesus from modern Christianity. Is that necessary? Is it needed? In light of Preterist eschatology, is Jesus the person we have been told about for the past one hundred years; the vengeful, angry, retribution-oriented God wearing a blood-soaked robe?

When I look at the Scriptures, I do not see a “conversional Jesus” – rather I see the conversational Jesus attempting to influence people’s thinking through conversation and discussion, by questioning and prompting questions, by listening and being listened to. Jesus did not travel across Israel and asked people to become 21st Century Christians. Rather he had dinner with them, drank with them and told them to repent of their sins; all done in a clearly conversational way. It appears that Jesus listened to them, which in turn motivated them to listen to him. He even summed up his message for those who have a hard time understanding: love God, love your enemy and love your neighbor as yourself.

So when I see the extremely personal attacks taking place against folks who advocate free-thinking, dialogue and thinking outside the box, I wonder what those accusers would have done with people like Martin Luther. With Jesus?

Christianity or Christianism?

The great thing about Preterism is its highly structured and systematized nature. That is also the worst thing about it. An “ism” is by definition something that is encased in a box, set in concrete, or written in stone. When someone asks me “what is Preterism,” I can point him to the Outline to Preterism document here on this website and after a few minutes, he can understand (mostly) what Preterism is all about. The same goes for other “isms” like Atheism, Theism, etc. Atheism is disbelief in a deity. Clearly defined, never changing, in your face statement. Preterism is the belief that the Parousia of Jesus took place in A.D. 70. Clearly defined, never changing, narrow and in your face.

An “Outline to Preterism” indicates a never-changing attitude about our doctrine and theology. That’s what an “ism” is – something that does not change; something very well defined and outlined. This alone is enough to create two major problems for our movement: 1) prevent the development of Preterist doctrine and any consideration of other doctrinal points (whatever they may be) and 2) cut off any bridges that would allow many outsiders to consider Preterism at all.

When we think of Christianity for example, we do not think of “Christianism” because technically speaking there is no such thing. Perhaps some Christians may like to think so, but that does not make it so. Christianity does not belong to Americans for them to mold it and define it. There is only one qualifier: Christianity is made of people following the teachings of Jesus. Christians in Romania do this by meeting in churches with painted walls, lighting candles before praying and singing their liturgy rather than preaching it. People in India see the story of Jesus as their own story, of someone named Ishu born in a barn, visited by three kings, growing up to perform miracles, heal people, walk on water and teach people how to live better lives. I heard of an Indian boy moving to England to attend school there, where on the first day of school he shared the story of Ishu with the class. To his surprise, the British students told him that this was their story, not his, and the story is about Jesus, not Ishu. He was upset and confused about it because the story of Ishu was his favorite Hindu story.

I was reading that in India it is a lot more common to hear someone ask “What is your practice” rather than “What do you believe?” People there recognize the fact that the practice of your faith is a lot more important than the philosophical underpinning of what your theology is: helping others in suffering, honoring the universal message of Jesus to love your brother and enemy, which goes beyond sectarianism and selfish desires. What do you practice? Who do you love? Why?

African Christians see Jesus as a black savior, ministering to the hungry and sick. Americans see Jesus as a white man with blue eyes leading a social revolution for worldwide democracy and justice. One thing is clear, there is no such thing as Christianism and whenever Preterists try to put Christianity in a box, the box will not hold it. In essence, Preterism has become an American “ism” that seems to be at odds with most other aspects of universal Christianity; an “ism” that is much about eschatology and little about “What is your practice?”

Is it possible at all to overcome the “ism” nature of our movement? How? Do we need to? As we all know very well, there is a handful of Preterists willing to attack and destroy anyone in order to maintain the status quo. Perhaps the solution should be “a new kind of Preterism” as I suggested in my interview with Brian McLaren. A dynamic Preterism, where conversation is encouraged, not condemned, where we can openly speak about our doubts and challenges as Christians, where the “outline to Preterism” is “today’s outline” and where the journey is never-ending, where we wrestle with the Scripture, converse about our differences and hopefully learn from each other.

My yoke is easy

In the Jewish rabbinical culture, a rabbi (teacher) would be an individual one would be honored to follow and obey. Each teacher had his own interpretation of the Torah. Some teacher may say “you may not ride a donkey on a Sabbath” – another may say “on a Sabbath you may not walk by a wheat field and casually grab grains and eat them.” Others may allow the followers to do these things. These unwritten lists of rules were called a rabbi’s yoke.

Rabbi Jesus told his disciples “My yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” So a Rabbi’s disciples would not only be honored to follow in the Rabbi’s footsteps, but also were willing to do exactly what the Rabbi did, so much so that when the Rabbi would go to the bathroom, the disciples would go in with him to not miss anything the Rabbi would say or do.

In light of the emergent church and thought, we should perhaps reconsider the many regulations put in place over the years by the various post-Christ rabbis. I believe there is a natural human tendency to complicate things if they are too simple. I am sure along the line someone stopped and said, “That can’t be Christ’s yoke…it is too easy...it can’t be that easy!?” But what if it really is that easy? What if Preterism really is not “the end” but just “a beginning” leading us to truly practice the Gospel of Christ, love, share, learn, suffer and better the world, whether the world agrees or disagrees with us? When did philosophical agreement become a prerequisite to Christianity’s active involvement in bettering the world around us?

An emergent danger?

I have seen a few e-mails floating around the Preterist campfire about the extraordinary dangers our dialogue with Emergent creates for the Gospel. “The Gospel is at stake” they say. I have to really chuckle when I hear these kinds of comments from Preterists, because they resonate with what futurists have been saying about Preterism for a few decades now: “Renounce Preterism! The Gospel is at stake! You are all going to hell!” And I also have to wonder what warped definitions of the Gospel these people actually have. If the Gospel of Christ embodies Truth and if the Emergent movement can destroy the Gospel, then we have a major problem on our hands, and I am not sure I want to have anything to do with a God whose message can be destroyed or hindered by a group of “post-modern whackos” as we have been labeled.

You see, these kinds of scare tactics are no different than what we have all experienced when we first encountered Preterist eschatology. We have been excluded from church memberships, some have been fired, ridiculed, associated with Satanic influences and heresy. This is nothing new. What is new is for Preterists to use these very same tactics against fellow Preterists that are not willing to bring with them all the rest of the baggage that comes with futurist theology. It is as if some Preterists have only adjusted the timing of the return of Christ, and left everything else alone.

And when some choose to perhaps question other de facto aspects of the Christian faith, we are suddenly back where we started: hatred, exclusion, creedal Christianity, litmus tests, condemnation to hell, heresy, etc.

The dangers we face as Preterists today do not come from Emergent, from a dialogue with them, or any entity outside of ourselves. Rather the danger comes from a lack of dialogue and a self-isolation caused by the ultra-modern mentality that we are right and everyone else is wrong. This kind of position will only eliminate any possible dialogue and outreach we could hope to create with the outside world.

As I said, at Yale, I have met all kinds of wonderful people. I have met conservatives, liberals, republicans and democrats; Baptists, Pentecostals, Unitarians, Anglicans, etc. At the end of the day we were all able to sit down and listen to each other, worship together, sing and pray together. This is the essence of the Christian faith, to seek God’s peace, understanding and dialogue with those different from us.

A long time ago, Basil of Caesarea wrote down a prayer that is still being used today in Orthodox churches:

“Steer the ship of my life, good Lord, to your quiet harbor, where I can be safe from the storms of sin and conflict. Show me the course I should take. Renew in me the gift of discernment, so that I can always see the right direction in which I should go. And give me the strength and the courage to choose the right course, even when the sea is rough and the waves are high, knowing that through enduring hardship and danger in your name we shall find comfort and peace.”

Fellow Preterist, instead of being so concerned with the minute details of what other people believe, stop and ask yourself and those around you: What is your practice?



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Virgil Vaduva is a columnist for PlanetPreterist.com.

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Re: Emergent Musings (Score: 1)
by Kyle Peterson (peterson.kyle@gmail.com) on Friday, February 10 @ 12:20:27 PST
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"It is as if some Preterists have only adjusted the timing of the return of Christ, and left everything else alone.

I fully agree. These Preterists still see the gospel as "Man sinned. Christ made it better" whereas what we should be celebrating is Christ's absolute presence in this universe (made possible by the putting away of sin). In other words, Christ's sacrifice on the cross was a means to an end. That end being a full realization of Christ's gospel - Love.


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Re: Emergent Musings (Score: 1)
by alberto on Friday, February 10 @ 12:54:29 PST
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Brother Virgil, Good on ya! (As our Australian brothers might say.) This is an excellent article, and, unless I miss my guess, is written from the heart. My compliments on your insight as well as your ever-growing facility in the language. Those of us who have attempted to communicate in other languages stand in admiration!


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Re: Emergent Musings (Score: 1)
by JL (jl@planetpreterist.com) on Friday, February 10 @ 13:31:01 PST
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Virgil,

Basil could say that because he was a preterist.

"Wherefore, 0 Master, we also remembering His saving Passion and life-creating Cross, His three-day burial, and resurrection from the dead, His ascension into heaven, and sitting down at thy right hand, God and Father, and His glorious and fearful second coming," Basil's Divine Litugy

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Re: Emergent Musings (Score: 1)
by Randude on Friday, February 10 @ 17:08:54 PST
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Very well written Virgil! You have probably heard the saying "The more things change, the more they stay the same." It seems that the same issue that we wrestle with today regarding a litmus test is the same as what the early Christians also went through. (1 Corinthians 1:1:10-17)

To me this is a call to put on Christ's yoke and be Christians first, Preterists second and above all LOVE one another. (John 13:34)


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Re: Emergent Musings (Score: 1)
by Parker on Friday, February 10 @ 20:13:06 PST
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Virgil: Emergent is...a loose but developing network of small groups

Parker: Does Emergent seek organization or anarchy with regard to the movement's structure?

Virgil: Emergent prides itself in keeping many believers from leaving the faith because of issues of acceptance over theological and personal differences

Parker: How does Emergent keep believers from leaving a faith that has no definition and no agreed-upon tenets? What is the "faith" that they agree to share? If it is a faith without any definitions, it is no "faith." If it has definition, then it is dogmatic. I gather that the "faith" of Emergent members is an expressed hope that "evangelical rejects" might fashion for themselves a new Christianity practiced by no one in past history--a Christianity without doctrines or organizational structures. (Won't endless "dialoging" eventually just wear out?)

Virgil: Some complained that Preterism is “too systematic” for them

Parker: Again, I note the resistance to definitions and dogmas and the preference for agnosticism on matters of belief. A movement with such anarchic tendencies is doomed to self-annihilation.

Virgil: Despite the loose nature of Emergent, I did notice some tendencies of systematizing the “emergent theology.”

Parker: Yes, and now we get to the irony of a "non-dogmatic" movement that requires the systematization of dogmas for its own survival. Glad the irony was not lost on you, Virgil.

Virgil: emergent folks usually tend to complain about theology being too systematic and want to go back to the first-century and early roots of Christianity when doctrine was indeed emerging and when Christians were able to talk about everything and anything while developing their theology

Parker: Such a Christianity never existed. Adherence to the apostles' dogmas was essential for membership.

Virgil: Emergent seems to be reacting to ...modernism where canned theology is pumped out daily to masses of believers who pass and respectively fail litmus tests applied by their peers. Those passing the tests are embraced, exalted and lauded; those failing are excluded and rejected, and many leave the Christian faith forever.

Parker: As soon as Emergent develops clear definition and organization (which it is doing more and more each day), it will become the very thing it claimed to reject -- an organization with a defined mission to be adhered to by all members in the "in group."

Virgil: Emergent is in some way leading the way in saving Jesus from modern Christianity.

Parker: ...and shackling Him to a post-modern "Emergent-inanity."

Virgil: is Jesus...the vengeful, angry, retribution-oriented God wearing a blood-soaked robe?

Parker: In light of the horrors of AD 70, yes. But, thankfully, that is not all God is.

Virgil: he had dinner with them, drank with them and told them to repent of their sins; all done in a clearly conversational way.

Parker: Do Emergent's leaders define what sin is so as to repent of it and dialogue others into repentance?

Virgil: I wonder what those accusers would have done with people like Martin Luther. With Jesus?

Parker: Yes, Emergent is the Martin Luthering of Martin Luther for sure.

Virgil: The great thing about Preterism is its highly structured and systematized nature. That is also the worst thing about it. An “ism” is by definition something that is encased in a box, set in concrete, or written in stone...This alone is enough to create two major problems for our movement

Parker: Emergent-ism is subject to the same "two major problems."

Virgil: Is it possible at all to overcome the “ism” nature of our movement?

Parker: No. It will likewise be impossible for Emergent members to overcome the exclusivity and dogmatism of Em

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Re: Emergent Musings (Score: 1)
by arabella5c on Thursday, February 23 @ 18:14:42 PST
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I am relatively new to both "emergent" and preteristm; however, I've finally come to the realization that like it or not I am an evangelical "postmodern" or a post-evangelical or whatever you want to call it (having also been rejected by the evangelical church partly because, try as I might, I just don't get it.)

Therefore, I have been giving these two movements a great deal of thought and have come to the conclusion that preterism is perhaps THE key to the emerging postmodern theology.

Here is why:

In my opinion the marvelous thing about postmodernism is the openness to the spiritual world. We are just barely around the corner of
this massive transition where the popular culture is seeking and beginning to explore spiritual realities. Movies like the Matrix, the CIA's Star Gate Remote Viewing program, Montel William's special guest Sylvia Brown, "psychic detectives", The Medium, Dr. Phil's recent program on demonic possession, etc. (What can I say, I'm a stay-at-home mom, I watch a lot of TV!)

People everywhere, regardless of education or status, are beginning to acknowledge that the world we see and experience everyday is in ultimate reality a SPIRITUAL world that is interacting with and manifesting itself in the physical world. This is indeed a massive cultural shift from modernity.

How, then, does preterism have a part to play in this massive cultural paradigm shift?

In my opionion, at the heart of preterism is the SPIRITUAL KINGDOM OF GOD; that is, a recognition of the spiritual world and a recognition that the spiritual world is more real than the world we see and touch. It is a recognition that human beings are spiritual beings and that salvation is a spiritual experience and that there is a spiritual "matrix" out there and that perhaps the reason much of the church has been so spiritually defeated is because we are still waiting "for Christ's second coming" and have not taken our the place of spiritual dominion that is rightfully ours as sons of God on the earth (Eph 2:6). Thus, if the world's in bad shape, we have no one to blame but ourselves. Eek!

Therefore, because preterism has at its heart the message of the spiritual kingdom of God that has invaded the earth to bring salvation, I believe it is a key to the success of the church in postmodern culture.

Once the church puts to rest the issue of the nature of the kingdom, we can begin to answer some important questions (the world, by the way, is asking and looking in all the wrong places for answers):

What does it mean that we are spiritual beings?
What are the laws of the spiritual world?
How can human beings live successfully in the spiritual world?
How can we activate our spirits so as to have full fellowship and communication with one another?
What is the relationship of spiritual healing to physical healing and spiritual health to physical health?
What is the mysterious power of prayer, words, blessings and curses?
Are human beings really somehow capable of predicting the future or seeing the past?

Shall the church leave it to Harry Potter to answer these questions for the next generation? (Borders bookstore, by the way, has an entire section devoted to witchcraft in the children's department.)

Shame on us if we, the church, choose to leave it to occult religions to answer these questions. The alternative is that we find the courage to explore the answers to these questions for ourselves and to live full spiritual lives on the earth.

I think the truth of preterism just may have the power to give us that courage.

These are just some of my ponderings. Let the kingdom come, even as it is already here.


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