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The Neutered Church
Posted on Wednesday, January 25 @ 18:00:18 PST by Virgil

Church by Gary DeMar
I received a phone call from a friend who goes to a conservative Baptist church. She asked one of the assistant pastors to help promote Justice Sunday. The purpose of Justice Sunday is to involve Christians in the political process. The pastor argued that Christians should not be involved in politics or social issues because Jesus and the disciples did not vote, rally support for social issues, or argue for Christian involvement. Christians who view the New Testament as normative for Church life are committing a significant theological error.

In the New Testament era, Israel, and by extension the Church, was a captive nation under judgment with no voice in Roman affairs. The inscription on the tribute coin given to Jesus (Matt. 22:15–22) read: “‘TI[berius] CAESAR DIVI AUG[usti] F[ilius] AUGUSTUS,’ or, in translation, ‘Tiberius Caesar Augustus, son of the deified Augustus.’ The inscription was virtually an ascription of deity to the reigning emperor. . . . The irritating presence of the coin was a constant reminder to the Jews of their subservient condition.”1 The Jews showed their true allegiance and the reason for their foreign domination when they cried out in Pilate’s court when their Messiah was presented to them, “We have no king but Caesar” (John 19:15). Not to be involved is neither religious nor political neutrality.

First-century Christianity developed in a time of political oppression, but this did not stop the church from making a religious-political statement that was perceived to be a threat to the status quo. The church was rightly accused of upsetting the world, “saying that there is another king, Jesus” (Acts 17:6–7). As long as the churches were not viewed as a political threat, they were treated with indifference by the Roman government. Churches could talk about religion and its “spiritual dynamic” on the “soul,” but there could be no talk regarding who was god.

We should be reminded that the rallying cry of the early church was “Jesus is Lord” (Acts 16:31). This was a political statement. The Roman provincial authorities would not have been concerned with what they considered to be a Jewish sect (Acts 24:5, 14) as long as these “Christians” (Acts 11:26) had maintained that Jesus was a lord, subservient to the Roman Emperor and just one god among the many gods already part of the Roman pantheon. Of course, if Christians had “presented Jesus to the Greco-Roman world as ‘another’ God, their faith would long since have gone the way of Mithraism.”2 The declaration was that there was only one God, and He’s not Caesar!

You cannot serve two masters. If Jesus is indeed Lord and King (Rev. 19:16), then even Caesar would have to bow before Him (Phil. 2:9–11; cf. Matt. 2:1–18). The Emperors saw the consistency in this view, many Christians do not.

As citizens of the United States, we do not live under Caesar! This may come as a shock to Christians, but it’s true. In principle we are to render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar only when we define our “Caesar.” We live under the Constitution of the United States at the federal level in which we have multiple freedoms, including the right, according the First Amendment, “to petition the government for a redress of grievances.” The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution informs us that “the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.”

We are also under the constitutional jurisdiction of the state where we live. There may be additional laws at the county, borough, city, or parish level. These are our “Caesars.” As citizens, we can vote, express our political opinions, start political parties, support political candidates, campaign and lobby for the enactment of legislation, freedoms that did not exist in first-century Jerusalem or anywhere else in the Roman empire.

Footnotes:

1. Merrill C. Tenney, New Testament Times (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1965), 152.

2. Rodney Stark, For the Glory of God: How Monotheism Led to Reformations, Science, Witch-Hunts, and the End of Slavery (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 2003), 1

Gary DeMar is president of American Vision and the author of more than 20 books. His latest is Myths, Lies, and Half Truths.


 
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Re: The Neutered Church (Score: 1)
by SuperSoulFighter on Wednesday, January 25 @ 19:15:13 PST
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Interesting article, Gary! The most intriguing portion was the first paragraph, especially the italicized statement.

"I received a phone call from a friend who goes to a conservative Baptist church. She asked one of the assistant pastors to help promote Justice Sunday. The purpose of Justice Sunday is to involve Christians in the political process. The pastor argued that Christians should not be involved in politics or social issues because Jesus and the disciples did not vote, rally support for social issues, or argue for Christian involvement. Christians who view the New Testament as normative for Church life are committing a significant theological error.

I, personally, would go further and state that Christians who view the New Testament Church as normative for post-70 AD Kingdom citizenry (as an integral part of the practice of our faith) are immersed in an illusion. The significant theological error committed by those who attempt to prescribe Christian mores and behavioral standards according to those mandated by the NT Church (i.e. by God the Holy Spirit) have adopted the fallacious belief that the "Church" continued to exist in this realm beyond 70 AD. The NT Church (the historically unique Body and Bride of Christ) was raised to heaven immediately before the culmination of all things pertaining to the "world" of which it was a part, to dwell with her bridegroom - Christ - forever, in Zion (the capital city of God's Kingdom). Thereafter, there no longer existed any true "church" in this earthly, physical realm. Rather, we now enjoy a "new heavens and earth" system of inter-relationship with God wherein we are exclusively, solely responsible to Him directly in terms of our citizenship in His Kingdom and the ramfications thereof.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you on this, Gary. I respect your viewpoint and the emphasis you're seeking to establish among Preterist Christians here, but when viewed from the perspective I've just briefly described, a whole new level of understanding is introduced in relation to our involvement with modern society and government, as Christians.

JM


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Re: "An election is nothing more than an advance auction of stolen goods." (Score: 1)
by chrisliv on Wednesday, January 25 @ 23:25:56 PST
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Well,

Most churchgoers are active statists who bear Social Security numbers, TINs, and State Resident documents. Only a small percentage of these have a policy of not engaging in Voter Registration, which is to their credit, as someone has said, "An election is nothing more than an advance auction
of stolen goods."

I find a lot of logical, biblical, and historic contradictions in this article. It sounds like the same old "Give Unto Caesar" credo that most state-incorporated churchgoers unconsciously voice. Of course, this is not a personal criticism of Gary DeMar. I like Gary's "non-Dispensational" articles from biblical text. But, I take a non-statist view, which goes well beyond non-voting, and which is surprisingly rare in Christian circles.

Let's suppose a Wheat vs Tare analogy could apply to The Body of Christ vs The Body of the State, and that nobody would actually grind up the ripening and blackening heads of the Tares to mix into good Wheat flour for their bread, or that nobody would foolishly mix a little Wheat flour into some black Tare flour and actually try to bake something edible:

Everyone who applies for or declares that they are a US Citizen is "subject" to the jurisdiction of Caesar via Capitoline Hill as specified at Amendment 14.

Are all indigenious people of North America slaves that must seek, accept, or apply for US Citizenship?

No.

And that was the position of the early Christians, and was why they were persecuted or lived, literally, underground in the catacombs of Rome, until the Church became a state-corporation around 312 AD after Christianity was legalized with the understanding that Christians would then begin to join the Roman legions on the battlefield, since the Empire was falling apart and Caesar needed fresh troops to do his killing.

Are all North Americans such slaves that they must also live under an added Nation/State jurisdiction by seeking or applying for State Residency?

No, again.

Must every group of belivers in Christ be bound by contract via Articles of Incorporation and "subject" to all current and future (whatever they become) rules and policies of Caesar via a Secretary of State and an Attorney General?

No, again.

Jesus said that you can't effectively serve two masters. But people sure do try, don't they?

How about those people who try to serve three masters: God, State Caesar, and Federal Caesar; do they really need more statist zeal?

Does statist zeal really help bring the Kingdom of God closer to anyone? Or, is it possible that's what drove the Kingdom of God away, around 312 AD when the Church corrupted itself by sharing State Power with a Beast?

Of course, if a large numbers of churchgoers refused US Citizenship, State Resident status, and State-Incorporated Religion there would again be a lot of persecution perpetrated by those inhabiting Roman-styled Capitoline Hill and the various State Houses.

But the early Christian were not afraid of such things, as a small window of History shows us.

Peace to you all,
C. Livingstone


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Re: The Neutered Church (Score: 1)
by Windpressor (Giddi_one) on Thursday, January 26 @ 01:27:17 PST
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Soverereignty is indeed rightfully vested in "WE the People". Therefore, the whole concept of "rendering unto Caesar" is a much different matter than what has been traditionally taught.

I submit that an alternative hermeneutic is persuasive of resisting the fraud popularly thought of as legit taxation. I have not read extensively from Hansen's site and do not agree with all his positions. Maybe someone could persuade him away from futurist thinking:

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[Mat 22:17] [The Pharisees sent their disciples to Jesus, who said,]
Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
Jesus was also versed in the above scriptures{listed in text from pgs.7-65ff}. He was fully aware that it is against God’s Law to give tribute to a heathen “Caesar”. He also knew that it would enrage “Caesar” for him to say so. Jesus knew that giving the correct answer was a trap laid for him by the Pharisees, and he evaded their trap by the following: He didn’t define what was or was not “Caesar’s. He didn’t even affirm that the penny with “Caesar’s” image and superscription was to be rendered to “Caesar”. Jesus’ answer was that the Pharisees should render to “Caesar”, a heathen who did not know or obey God’s Law, exactly what was due to any heathen or Israelite who did not obey God’s Law:
[Num 15:15] One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation [of Israel], and also for the stranger [foreigner; non Israelite] that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the LORD. [15:16] One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you. (i.e.: death for breaking God’s Law: [Deu 27:26] Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law [God’s Law, not Caesar’s law] to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.)
Therefore, the Pharisees knew that what they had just been told was to render unto”Caesar” what God’s Law required: death, and since they were declining to carry out the sentence of the law, they were hypocrites, since they were the enforcement officials of God’s Law and knew what “Caesar” was due under God’s Law. They had also been told that they were doing presumptuously by not harkening to carry out the sentence of the law and they themselves should be put to death along with “Caesar” in order to put their own evil away from Israel:
[Deu 17:11] According to the sentence of the law which they shall teach thee, and according to the judgment which they shall tell thee, thou shalt do: thou shalt not decline from the sentence which they shall shew thee, to the right hand, nor to the left. [17:12] And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge, [and render unto Caesar what Caesar was due, death in this particular case] even that man shall die [the Pharisees, for not carrying out the sentence in this particular case]: and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel.
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from pages 7-71 & 7-72 of "Family Constitution" --
http://www.famguardian.org/Publications/FamilyConst/FamilyConst.htm


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