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”I also said that ‘if’ a generation was forty years and ‘if’ the generation of the ‘fig tree’ (Matthew 24:32-34) started with the foundation of the state of Israel, then Jesus ‘might come back by 1988.’ But I put a lot of ifs and maybes in because I knew that no one could be absolutely certain.”
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News: Answering the "Replacement Theology" Critics (Part 4)
Posted on Friday, October 21 @ 06:49:08 PDT by John

Preterism by Gary DeMar
Non-dispensationalists like me would say that all the promises made to Israel have been fulfilled, and the redemption of Israel according to those promises made it possible for Gentiles to be grafted into an already existing Jewish assembly of believers that the Bible calls the Church. Soon after Jesus’ ascension, the gospel is preached to “Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men, from every nation under heaven” (Acts 2:5).

If this is not God dealing specifically and solely with Israel, then I don’t know what is. To say that the Church is a “mystery” unknown to the OT prophets contradicts what Peter states in Acts 2:16: “this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel.” “This,” a near demonstrative, is a reference to the events of Pentecost. If Joel predicted what was happening, and the dispensationalists claim that Pentecost is the beginning of the Church Age, then the Church is not a mystery; it is the fulfillment of Bible prophecies made first and foremost to Israel.

Dispensationalist Thomas Ice understands the implications of this logic, so he must add a word to Acts 2:16 to make it fit his parenthesis eschatology. He rewrites the verse to read, “But this is [like] that which was spoken by the prophet Joel.” He tries to explain the addition of “like” this way: “The unique statement of Peter (‘this is that’) is in the language of comparison and similarity, not fulfillment.”1 He’s begging the question, assuming what he must prove. Dispensational author Stanley D. Toussaint writes, contradicting Ice on his point, “This clause does not mean, ‘This is like that’; it means Pentecost fulfilled what Joel had described.”2 After saying this, he goes on to argue: “However, the prophecies of Joel quoted in Acts 2:19–20 were not fulfilled.” So which is it? He says the fulfillment will come “if Israel would repent.” But Israel did repent: “Now having heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, ‘Brethren, what shall we do?’ And Peter said to them, ‘Repent. . .’” (2:37–38). The result? “So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and there were added that day about three thousand souls” (2:41).

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Re: Answering the (Score: 1)
by coderguy on Friday, October 21 @ 13:53:46 PDT
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Interestingly DeMar never dealt with the issue of Replacement Theology. It was just rants against dispensationalism that he had already done numerous times before.


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More Than One Form of Replacement Theology (Score: 1)
by EWMI on Saturday, October 22 @ 01:49:03 PDT
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R.T. seems to have 3 forms

1) The one addressed by Gary Demar

2) The Dispensationalist position that Israel will replace the Church as God's agent on the earth during their millenium

3) Almost completely ignored is a form of Jewish Replacement theology which holds that the Synagogue and ultimately National Israel replaces the Mosaic system of worship destroyed in AD70.


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Re: The Non-Dispensationalists Are Coming! The Non-Dispensationalists Are Coming! (Score: 1)
by chrisliv on Saturday, October 22 @ 23:42:33 PDT
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So, Gary,

You're a "Non-dispensationalist."

That's pretty catchy. And I think every Preterist wouldn't mind seeing a lot more Non-dispensationalists around the landscape.

Peace to you,
C. Livingstone


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About that (Score: 1)
by NB9M (brad@nb9m.com) on Tuesday, October 25 @ 14:25:10 PDT
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Gary, I'm a huge fan. I've got all your books. I think you're swell! But...

Preterists (OK, "non-dispensationalists") are teetering on the brink of admitting something that is exegetically inescapeable: "Gentile" does not mean "non-Jew" and the word "Jew" is not interchangeable with "Israelite." We're already outcasts; let's close the deal.

The "grafting" language was always specific to the restoration of the two houses of Israel. The House of Israel (divorced by God and dispersed by the Assyrians) were often called "Gentiles" or "Greeks" by the inspired writers of the New Testament. Almost without exception, we see that the ministries of the Apostles were to the Diaspora. The grafting (or restoration) was NOT applicable to non-Israelites. It was a promise specific to Old Covenant Israel.

In addition, "Jew" meant a resident of the region of Judea (the House of Judah) comprised primarily of the remnant of the tribes of Benjamin, Judah and some Levites. The word was also used to describe non-Israelites (like Herod.) The word "Jew" first appears way back in 2nd Kings - AFTER the split between the two houses. So, Abraham wasn't a Jew. Isaac wasn't a Jew, etc.

We know that the New Covenant was made with the House of Israel and the House of Judah (the treacherous sister which had remained) per Hebrews 8:8/Jer 31:31-34 and not all peoples. However, it is THROUGH Israel that all peoples are saved (Jesus purchased the whole field to get the treasure.) It is through Israel that the nations are blessed (ie Micah 4.)

I've read and re-read Galations 3 so many times my head hurts, because it's so often trotted out as a confirmation mechanism that literal, physical Israel is no more (or, at least, has no significance.) This is where the dispensationalists have got us: Galations 3 is not the "never mind" from God we make it out to be! Paul's audience are Israelites (see Chapter 4.) He's simply asserting that their lineage alone will not be their salvation - and proceeds with examples of EXCLUSION (inferring the remnant you were talking about.) Paul is not saying that it doesn't matter if you're an Israelite. He's saying that the salvation promises given to Israel are not by physical lineage alone. No more, no less.

To my preterist bretheren: if we spiritualize Israel, we ignore the language of permanence given by God Himself in His covenants with his covenant people. God does, indeed, extend His wonderful Grace to all peoples. However, we don't have to force-fit the "grafting" language of Israel to do it.


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