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Re: Answering the (Score: 1)
 by chrisliv on Wednesday, October 12 @ 22:52:44 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Yeah,
The article pins Dispensationalists down very well, by simply asking them to produce a single verse for some of their crazy notions.
I liked that Rapture graphic that goes with the article, too. Very funny.
Even if Dispensationalists refuse to accept it, there are several verses that prove that the land promises, from the Euphrates to the River Nile, were clearly fulfilled. And that the Israelites became as numerous as sand on the seashore, while enjoying perfect safety from all of their enemies, roundabout.
So, they're just not honest on that point.
Peace to you,
C. Livingstone |
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Re: Answering the Replacement theology (Score: 1)
 by Knox on Thursday, October 13 @ 18:47:15 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Dispensationalists are for the most part self delusionists. They have, in the style of Orwell's 1984, managed Doublethink and even more to actually see what frankly isn't there.
Gary Demar - clear consice and correct. As ever. |
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Re: Dispensationalists: Accuse Them Of What You're Guilty Of? (Score: 1)
by chrisliv on Thursday, October 13 @ 20:25:43 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Yeah, Knox,
Since this article is getting so little feedback yet, I'll comment out front, here.
There are a few examples of Dispensationalists accusing Preterists of what they are actually guilty of. And the funny thing is, I think they don't really realize it, at first, but only after or until guys like Demar or Don Preston make it abundantly clear, from the text, like in some other recent articles regarding "Last Days Scoffers" or "Taking Bible Time-Statements Literal." Etc.
That phenomena or tendency can be observed in many contexts, like a governmental tyranny, of which Orwell mentions, which I've witnessed firsthand.
Or, at the personal level, as the saying goes, "You can only know in others, what you first know in yourself."
I'm sure a lot of battered wives have been traumatized with that one, and by accusations of infidelity, when it's really the husband who lacks fidelity.
Peace to you,
C. Livingstone |
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Re: Seven Year Tribulation (Score: 1)
by zerubbabel on Friday, October 14 @ 15:24:58 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | This article presents more subjects than can be addressed here. However Gary gives Daniel’s prophecy of the 70 weeks as the first in his list of dispensationalists support for pretribulationalism.
He doesn’t like the 2000 year “gap” between the 69th and 70th weeks proposed by dispensationalists. Okay, but he doesn’t explain how the math works out for his own explanation. That is because Daniel’s prophecy of the 70 Weeks presents a difficulty for preterism. No matter how hard they try, non-dispensationalists cannot make the math work out! Specifically, they cannot demonstrate how the 490 years gets them to A.D.70! It doesn’t matter where you start the time line, everyone agrees (I think) that the Lord’s death and the destruction of the city (Jerusalem) occurs after the 69th week. Preterists say they both occurred in the 70th week. But these two events occurred nearly 40 years apart! Thus they must either admit a gap in the middle of the week (which DeMar says cannot be) or else cram 40 years into seven! Neither option will do. This is a problem for preterism. Incidentally, every other non-dispensational view has this same insurmountable problem. (If I have misrepresented the preterist view, it is not intentional, and I gladly stand to be corrected.)
The dispensational view sees a divinely appointed gap or postponement between the 69th and 70th weeks. They gladly admit it, and provide sound explanations for it.
I have read several Preterist explanations of their “Gap problem”. One says there’s a 40 year gap between Messiah being cut off and the completion of the 70th week. Another sees two gaps! One gap of 3 years at the time of Antioches Epiphanes and another of 36 years in the middle of the 70th week ranging between A.D. 33 (cutting off of Messiah) and A.D. 69 (when Titus was given command). Others, such as Gary DeMar, insist there can be NO gap. Others simply ignore the math problem pretending it doesn’t exist.
What is the CORRECT preterist explanation of the 70th week? How do the death of Christ and the destruction of Jerusalem fit into 7 years?
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