 |
|
|
One day in the Tribulation Period you will need proper identification to withdraw or deposit money in your bank. The identification will be an invisible mark either on the back of your hand or on you forehead!
-- Salem Kirban
|
|
| |
Preterism: Podcast Episode 8 is Out!
Posted on Sunday, September 18 @ 19:40:02 PDT by John |
|
Because so many seem to be interested the topic, in Episode 8 of the podcast, Virgil is discussing some of the implications of his last column on the Universal Atonement of Christ and answers some of the questions and comments raised by readers here. Click here to download Episode 8 or click on the link in the box to the right. We encourage comments on this topic and we are hoping that this podcast will create the kind of dialogue that will encourage all of us to learn more about God's word in light of Preterism.
--
|
| |
|
^^Go to Top -  E-mail to Friend -  Print -  View PDF -  Subscribe -  Comments RSS
Re: Podcast Episode 8 is Out! (Score: 1)
 by Virgil on Sunday, September 18 @ 19:56:39 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | | I wanted to be the first to say thanks to David Edwards for doing an awesome professional job with putting together the podcast! :) |
[ To reply to this, please login or register ]
- by Roderick on Sunday, September 18 @ 20:42:34 PDT
- by Randude on Monday, September 19 @ 04:29:49 PDT
- by Andre on Monday, September 19 @ 05:36:01 PDT
- by Virgil on Monday, September 19 @ 05:49:03 PDT
- by Randude on Monday, September 19 @ 08:12:20 PDT
- by Andre on Monday, September 19 @ 13:41:18 PDT
- by Kyle Peterson on Monday, September 19 @ 06:04:23 PDT
- by Virgil on Monday, September 19 @ 07:24:59 PDT
- by Roderick on Monday, September 19 @ 13:00:40 PDT
- by BarkingPumpkin on Monday, September 19 @ 13:43:28 PDT
- by mazuur on Monday, September 19 @ 15:31:45 PDT
- by Kyle Peterson on Monday, September 19 @ 08:26:35 PDT
- by MichaelB on Monday, September 19 @ 13:08:57 PDT
- by Everlasting on Tuesday, September 20 @ 01:28:35 PDT
- by Kyle Peterson on Tuesday, September 20 @ 05:12:14 PDT
- by MichaelB on Tuesday, September 20 @ 08:36:54 PDT
- by Kyle Peterson on Tuesday, September 20 @ 18:42:07 PDT
- by MichaelB on Tuesday, September 20 @ 20:23:54 PDT
- by Kyle on Wednesday, September 21 @ 05:46:31 PDT
- by Kyle on Wednesday, September 21 @ 06:19:00 PDT
- by MichaelB on Wednesday, September 21 @ 08:48:23 PDT
- by Kyle on Wednesday, September 21 @ 11:38:06 PDT
- by MichaelB on Wednesday, September 21 @ 12:47:54 PDT
- by Kyle Peterson on Wednesday, September 21 @ 17:04:04 PDT
- by davo on Wednesday, September 21 @ 22:42:18 PDT
- by MichaelB on Wednesday, September 21 @ 23:31:13 PDT
- by MichaelB on Wednesday, September 21 @ 23:48:31 PDT
- by davo on Thursday, September 22 @ 03:59:25 PDT
- by MichaelB on Thursday, September 22 @ 08:13:56 PDT
- by davo on Thursday, September 22 @ 09:17:23 PDT
- by Kyle on Thursday, September 22 @ 05:26:11 PDT
- by davo on Thursday, September 22 @ 06:27:12 PDT
- by MichaelB on Thursday, September 22 @ 08:18:34 PDT
- by Kyle on Thursday, September 22 @ 08:33:24 PDT
- by davo on Thursday, September 22 @ 09:10:59 PDT
- by MichaelB on Thursday, September 22 @ 09:30:37 PDT
- by Kyle on Thursday, September 22 @ 10:14:21 PDT
- by MichaelB on Thursday, September 22 @ 10:48:05 PDT
- by Kyle on Thursday, September 22 @ 10:53:54 PDT
- by MichaelB on Thursday, September 22 @ 13:06:51 PDT
- by Virgil on Tuesday, September 20 @ 06:00:21 PDT
- by Jer on Tuesday, September 20 @ 06:43:34 PDT
- by Virgil on Tuesday, September 20 @ 07:16:07 PDT
- by MichaelB on Tuesday, September 20 @ 08:39:48 PDT
- by Virgil on Tuesday, September 20 @ 10:05:51 PDT
- by the_prophet_whiteboy on Monday, September 19 @ 07:57:24 PDT
- by Virgil on Monday, September 19 @ 08:03:36 PDT
- by Randude on Monday, September 19 @ 08:14:37 PDT
- by daveedwards on Monday, September 19 @ 08:30:56 PDT
- by Virgil on Monday, September 19 @ 11:38:33 PDT
- by daveedwards on Monday, September 19 @ 11:44:45 PDT
- by jaredcoleman on Monday, September 19 @ 13:37:14 PDT
- by Roderick on Monday, September 19 @ 13:38:25 PDT
- by mitchg on Monday, September 19 @ 13:53:47 PDT
Re: Podcast Episode 8 is Out! (Score: 1)
 by davo on Monday, September 19 @ 22:06:52 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) |
Roderick: Virgil, I'm not finding you to be a trust-worthy person. There have been too many times I've had to bring out private things you have said so as to correct your public comments.
Oh I see, you're the one bringing out supposed "private things", yet have an issue with trust-worthiness? – go figure.
So Roderick, which side of your mouth should we believe – is Virgil a "universalist" or an "arminianist" seeing as you accuse him vociferously of being both – like which is it?
Just listened to the pod-cast and have to say that as for the "elect" as mentioned in the NT being the first-fruits of the AD70 full harvest I couldn't agree more.
Now if one holds to a more consistent and inclusive prêteristic understanding on this matter i.e., pantelism, then one can only conclude of a supposed post Parousia "elect" that if there is more elect AFTER Christ's Parousia then by a glaringly obvious implication there must likewise be more harvest. This is then none other than the futurist roundabout of – if there be a future [more] harvest, then Christ' Parousia cannot have been, thus redemption is STILL incomplete and so the Law STILL has sway and we are all STILL miserably lost in our sins – well no thanks!! I already left the follies of futurism and I ain't goin' back.
davo – pantelism.com –
"And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world." 1Jn 2:2
|
[ To reply to this, please login or register ]
- by scargy on Tuesday, September 20 @ 14:02:05 PDT
- by Virgil on Tuesday, September 20 @ 14:22:32 PDT
- by scargy on Tuesday, September 20 @ 15:53:46 PDT
- by Virgil on Tuesday, September 20 @ 16:27:10 PDT
- by scargy on Tuesday, September 20 @ 16:57:11 PDT
- by Virgil on Tuesday, September 20 @ 17:05:37 PDT
- by scargy on Tuesday, September 20 @ 23:15:32 PDT
- by Virgil on Wednesday, September 21 @ 05:48:17 PDT
- by davo on Wednesday, September 21 @ 01:32:31 PDT
Re: Podcast Episode 8 is Out! (Score: 1)
by davo on Monday, September 19 @ 23:14:18 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) |
Some further food for thought:
The folly of "POST-Parousia" Calvinistic reasoning: how does an individual "reject" the gospel if Christ allegedly did not die for him? What is the supposed "good news" that he is rejecting? The Calvinist has "good news" for none but the elect ONLY. One can hardly reject what has not genuinely been offered. Thus if there is "no gospel" offered to the "non-elect," how then can the so called "non-elect" reject such a gospel?
davo – pantelism.com –
"And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world." 1Jn 2:2
|
[ To reply to this, please login or register ]
- by Everlasting on Tuesday, September 20 @ 08:23:33 PDT
- by the_prophet_whiteboy on Tuesday, September 20 @ 08:59:37 PDT
- by Paige on Tuesday, September 20 @ 09:15:55 PDT
- by Jer on Tuesday, September 20 @ 14:49:32 PDT
- by Kyle Peterson on Tuesday, September 20 @ 18:44:53 PDT
- by davo on Wednesday, September 21 @ 01:44:10 PDT
- by the_prophet_whiteboy on Wednesday, September 21 @ 10:37:04 PDT
- by Jer on Wednesday, September 21 @ 12:57:57 PDT
- by the_prophet_whiteboy on Wednesday, September 21 @ 14:08:39 PDT
- by Jer on Wednesday, September 21 @ 14:11:26 PDT
- by the_prophet_whiteboy on Thursday, September 22 @ 12:25:29 PDT
- by Jer on Thursday, September 22 @ 13:04:41 PDT
- by Virgil on Sunday, September 25 @ 18:27:01 PDT
- by MichaelB on Wednesday, September 21 @ 12:52:02 PDT
- by Jer on Wednesday, September 21 @ 13:33:18 PDT
- by MichaelB on Wednesday, September 21 @ 14:12:42 PDT
- by MichaelB on Wednesday, September 21 @ 14:21:27 PDT
- by Jer on Wednesday, September 21 @ 15:11:15 PDT
- by MichaelB on Wednesday, September 21 @ 16:03:40 PDT
- by Jer on Thursday, September 22 @ 05:32:31 PDT
- by MichaelB on Thursday, September 22 @ 08:40:48 PDT
- by Jer on Thursday, September 22 @ 08:52:07 PDT
- by Jer on Thursday, September 22 @ 08:53:19 PDT
- by Jer on Wednesday, September 21 @ 15:00:08 PDT
- by MichaelB on Wednesday, September 21 @ 16:17:10 PDT
- by Jer on Thursday, September 22 @ 06:00:32 PDT
- by MichaelB on Wednesday, September 21 @ 13:16:03 PDT
- by MichaelB on Wednesday, September 21 @ 13:17:12 PDT
- by davo on Wednesday, September 21 @ 22:25:45 PDT
- by MichaelB on Wednesday, September 21 @ 23:35:47 PDT
For Whom Did Christ Die? (Score: 1)
 by MichaelB on Wednesday, September 21 @ 20:22:44 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | FOR WHOM DID CHRIST DIE?
The Father imposed His wrath due unto, and the Son underwent punishment for, either:
1. All the sins of all men.
2. All the sins of some men, or
3. Some of the sins of all men.
In which case it may be said:
1. That if the last be true, all men had some sins to answer for, and so, none were saved.
2. That if the second be true, then Christ, in their stead suffered for all the sins of some in the whole world, and this is the truth.
3. But if the first be the case, why were not all men freed from the punishment due unto their sins?
You answer, "Because of unbelief."
I ask, Is this unbelief a sin, or is it not? If it be, then Christ suffered the punishment due unto it, or He did not. If He did, why must that hinder them more than their other sins for which He died? If He did not, He did not die for all their sins!"
|
[ To reply to this, please login or register ]
- by Kyle on Thursday, September 22 @ 06:19:08 PDT
- by MichaelB on Thursday, September 22 @ 08:09:54 PDT
- by MichaelB on Thursday, September 22 @ 08:10:53 PDT
- by Kyle on Thursday, September 22 @ 08:37:06 PDT
- by davo on Thursday, September 22 @ 09:08:42 PDT
- by MichaelB on Thursday, September 22 @ 09:47:12 PDT
- by davo on Thursday, September 22 @ 11:02:30 PDT
- by MichaelB on Thursday, September 22 @ 12:56:53 PDT
- by davo on Thursday, September 22 @ 14:52:14 PDT
- by MichaelB on Thursday, September 22 @ 15:10:30 PDT
- by MichaelB on Thursday, September 22 @ 15:11:23 PDT
- by the_prophet_whiteboy on Thursday, September 22 @ 15:44:29 PDT
- by davo on Thursday, September 22 @ 20:54:23 PDT
| 
|
