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Posted on Thursday, September 15 @ 17:20:21 PDT by Kurt Simmons

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The images of the new heavens, new earth, and new Jerusalem in Revelation chapters twenty-one and twenty-two are believed by many to represent man’s heavenly home or the eternal state upon a new material creation. A variation in Preterist circles has it that these images indicate man is somehow mystically in “heaven now.” However, the better view is that the new Jerusalem symbolically describes the covenantal habitation of the saints under the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Literalist Conceptions

Most of us have encountered various literalist conceptions of Rev. 21 and 22 at some time or other. Indeed, it would be strange if we had not; the church abounds in them. If nothing else, we have probably been confronted with literalist notions of the new Jerusalem in a song or hymn, which mentions “streets of gold,” or heard the saying about St. Peter and the “pearly gates.” These and similar allusions are based upon the assumption that the imagery of Rev. 21 and 22 should be understood literally; that it describes things as they actually are or will be, rather than merely providing a symbolic description of spiritual truths. Typically, it is assumed that Revelation’s imagery of the new Jerusalem portrays heaven. Plummer’s interpretation is typical of this school:

“Having described the origin and progress of evil in the world, the final overthrow of Satan and his adherents, and the judgment when every man is rewarded according to his works, the seer now completes the whole by portraying the eternal bliss of the redeemed in heaven.”[1]

The weakness of this view is obvious: John specifically states that the new Jerusalem comes down out of heaven from God. (Rev. 21:2, 10) If it comes down out of heaven, clearly the imagery cannot portray heaven itself.[2] This has caused others to see the imagery as referring to a material, new creation. Among the “church fathers” that saw these images as portraying a new physical creation and city, Irenaeus thought there would be three levels of resurrection corresponding to individual worthiness:

“Then those who are deemed worthy of an abode in heaven shall go there, others shall enjoy the delights of paradise, and others shall possess the splendour of the city…For the first will be taken up into the heavens, the second will dwell in paradise, the last will inhabit the city.”[3]

Tertullian thought the images portrayed an earthly city during the “millennium”:

“But we do confess that a kingdom is promised to us upon the earth, although before heaven, only in another state of existence; inasmuch as it will be after the resurrection of a thousand years in the divinely built city of Jerusalem.”[4]

Modern expositors falling into the error of a literalist interpretation of John’s vision include Mathison and Gentry:

“His elect people will inherit the eternal estate in resurrected, physical bodies (Jno. 5:28-29; 1 Cor. 15:20-28) so that we might dwell in a material New Creation order (2 Pet. 3:8-13).”[5]

The assertion that man will live forever in physical bodies in a material “new creation” betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of God’s redemptive purpose. It is the stuff of Jehovah’s Witnesses other cultic sects inhabiting the fringes of Christendom. It stems from Gentry’s belief in Postmillennialism, which holds that God’s redemptive purpose culminates in a redeemed, material creation.[6] Never mind the many statements in scripture plainly pointing to the fact that the saints inheritance is in heaven (Phil. 3:20; Col. 3:1-3; I Thess. 4:17; I Tim. 6:7; II Tim. 2:11; Heb. 11:13, 16; I Pet. 1:4), we are now to believe that our eternal state is upon earth; that having begun in the spirit, we are to be made perfect in the flesh! (Cf. Gal. 3:3) Discerning students will reject these literalistic approaches, opting instead for the view that John symbolically describes the present, legal condition of the church under the New Testament, where the saints are redeemed from sin, justified in law, and restored to the communion and presence of God.

Old Testament Origins of Revelation’s Imagery

Perhaps the simplest way to demonstrate the proper interpretation of Revelation’s new heavens, new earth, and new Jerusalem, is to examine how Old Testament writers employed the imagery. Study of the prophets shows that three themes dominated their writings: 1) Prophecies of the coming captivity in Assyria and Babylon, 2) the restoration of Israel and Judah to their land, and 3) the coming Messiah. The method of the prophets was such that prophecies about the captivity and restoration were often couched in poetic language that defied fulfillment in those events, and looked instead unto Christ. So much so in fact that the captivity and restoration became types of events bound up in the coming Messiah, similar to the way Israel’s deliverance from Egypt and entrance into Canaan became types for God’s larger redemptive purpose, anticipating man’s inheritance in heaven. Thus, the destruction of Israel and Jerusalem by the Assyrians and Babylonians served as types of the coming destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 by Rome, Josephus even reporting that the second temple was burned on the very day and month observed by the Jews to commemorate its burning by the Babylonians.[7] Likewise, the return of the captivity was a type of mankind’s redemption and restoration in Christ.

Understanding the poetic and typological nature of the prophets’ writings is particularly important in the study of eschatology where the language is couched in apocalyptic imagery and symbolism derived from Old Testament sources. For example, the new heavens and earth of Revelation find their source in the prophet Isaiah, who used the imagery to describe the captivity’s return from Babylon. Thus, in chapters 63, 64, Isaiah prophesies the burning of the temple in 586 B.C. by the Babylonians:

“Our adversaries have trodden down thy sanctuary…Thy holy cities are a wilderness, Zion is a wilderness, Jerusalem a desolation. Our holy and our beautiful house, where our fathers praised thee, is burned up with fire: and all our pleasant things are laid waste.” (Isa. 63:18; 64:10, 11)

However, in Isa. 65, a remnant is promised:

“Thus saith the Lord, As the new wine in found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants’ sakes, that I may not destroy them all. And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.” (Isa. 65:8, 9)

The remnant would return and inherit a “new” heavens and earth. The old heavens and earth, marked by the nation's apostasy, bringing clouds and storms of destruction and wrath, would be replaced by a heavens and earth where God’s people would be blessed with peace and joy:

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come to mind. But be glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.” (Isa. 65:17, 18; cf. 66:22)

The immediate application of this prophecy looked to the return from captivity, but the poetic nature of the language describing the new heaven and earth of restored Israel betrays the fact that the prophecy is pregnant with anticipation of the Messiah and looked beyond unto the regeneration of mankind in Jesus Christ. Indeed, a study of things prophesied about the Messiah and the return of the captivity from Babylon show that common language and metaphors are employed to describe both: Cities that laid waste and desolate would be rebuilt; the wilderness become like Eden, and the desert like a garden (Isa. 51:3) and blossom as the rose (Isa. 35:1); the Lord would open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: the wilderness would be come a pool, and the dry places springs of waters (Isa. 41:18; cf. 35:6, 7); the lame would leap like the hart and the tongue of the dumb would sing (Isa. 35:6); the wolf and the lamb would feed together and the lion eat straw like the bullock (Isa. 11:1-9; 65:25); the abundance of the Gentiles would be converted (Isa. 60:5), and all nations would flow together to worship the Lord in Zion. (Isa. 2:1-5; 66:23)

What New Testament Writers Say

New Testament writers make clear that Mt. Zion and the new Jerusalem answer to the new covenant. Consider what the apostle Paul says in his letter to the Galatians:

"Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all…But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman." Gal. 4:21-31

In this passage, Paul indicates that Mt. Sinai and old, earthly Jerusalem answered the old covenant, but that Mt. Zion and the heavenly Jerusalem answer to the new covenant. It is understood, of course, that the Jerusalem which “now is” must understood to refer to the writer’s time, not our own. Unbelieving Jews were persecuting the church, just as Ishmael had persecuted Isaac. But the Jews would be cast out and their city and temple destroyed (Matt. 23, 24; Lk. 19:41-44; 23:27-31) and the new spiritual Jerusalem replace the old. The writer of Hebrews sets forth a similar dichotomy.

The book of Hebrews was written during a crisis of the last days when Christian Jews were under persecution and pressured to forsake Christ and turn back to Judaism. The writer's main argument is to show that the law of Moses was merely provisional and would shortly pass away. Christian Jews therefore should not be deceived into thinking they could find security or salvation in the temple cultus. Much to the contrary, the on-going temple cultus was an implicit denial of Christ's atoning sacrifice and sonship and marked the Jews as his enemies to be destroyed. Twice in the writer's argument he mentions the removal of the old heavens and earth that a new system could assume their place. (Heb. 1:10-12; 12:26-28; cf. Lk. 6:36) Twice the writer mentions a "world to come" in connection with the dawning kingdom of Christ that would replace the world framed by the Mosaic law then passing away. (Heb. 2:5; 6:5; cf. 8:13) The writer also makes equally plain that Zion and new Jerusalem are the new covenant.

"For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, and the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more…But ye are come unto mount Sion [e.g., Zion], and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the first born, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, , and to the blood of sprinkling that speaketh better things that that of Abel." Heb. 12:18-24

Here, the writer compares the tangible nature of things pertaining to the old covenant to the intangible things of the new, indicating the superiority of the latter. Notice that the new covenant Christ mediates answers to Zion and the new, heavenly Jerusalem, and these in turn to the church and the spirits of just men made perfect (cleansed from sin) by sprinkling with Christ’s blood. This is why John, in Revelation, describes the new Jerusalem as the bride of Christ; viz., the new Jerusalem is Christ’s church. (Rev. 21:2, 9

Timing of the New Jerusalem

The discussion above demonstrates the substance of the new heavens and earth and shows that it answers to the spiritual regeneration of man in Christ. What about the timing? When would these things come to be? Stephen, when tried for preaching Christ would come and destroy the city and temple and change the customs embodied in the Mosaic law (Acts 7:13, 14), cited the sixty-sixth chapter of Isaiah as proof that he was preaching nothing that had not been prophesied long before. Before the Sanhedrin he quotes Isaiah, saying, “Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? Hath not my hand made all these things?” (Acts 7:49, 50; cf. Isa. 66:1, 2) Stephen thus indicated the imminent fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy. The timing of the new heavens and earth, therefore is not left in doubt, but was clearly tied to the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. We need only peruse the rest of Isaiah’s prophecy to see that this is so.

First, Isaiah makes clear that national Israel would reject Christ and cling to the temple ritual instead:

"He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog’s neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine’s blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not." (Isa. 66:3, 4)

Next, he indicates the Jews would persecute their believing brethren and cast them out of the synagogue:

“Hear the word of the Lord, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name’s sake, said, Let the Lord be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed." (Isa. 66: 5)

Then, Isaiah prophesies the destruction of the city and temple alluded to by Stephen and foretold by Christ:

“A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, as voice of the Lord that rendereth recompence to his enemies…For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.” (Isa. 66: 6, 15)

The prophet then states that those who escaped the siege – Christians who obeyed Jesus’ warning to flee when they saw the city compassed about with armies (Lk. 21:20, 21) – would declare God’s glory (preach the gospel) among the Gentiles. (Isa. 66:19) Isaiah states that these would become the spiritual “priests and Levites” (cf. I Pet. 2:5) of the New Testament temple - the church - in the new heavens and earth:

“And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord. For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come and worship before me, saith the Lord. And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.” (Isa. 66:21-24)

“All flesh” is equivalent to “every creature” and “all nations” of the Great Commission. (Matt. 28:18-20; Mk. 16:15, 16) “Worshipping before the Lord” points to the assimilation of the Gentiles into the kingdom (church). The carcasses of those eaten of fire and worms has in view the bodies of the Jews who perished in the ravages of war, famine, and pestilence during the siege. Josephus reports that eleven-hundred-thousand Jews were slain in the siege of Jerusalem.[8] These were cast out of the city into the valley of Hinnom during the siege, where they lay swollen and putrefied, eaten of fire, maggots, and worms.[9] The testimony of Stephen, Christ, and Isaiah thus combine to make clear that the new heavens, new earth, and new Jerusalem would follow the destruction of the old, earthly Jerusalem in A.D. 70.

Heaven Now?

At the beginning of this article we indicated that, given the fulfilled nature of biblical eschatology, some Preterists feel they were somehow mystically in “heaven now.” Is there any validity to this interpretation?

No. The heavenly city that God has prepared for his people (Heb. 11:10, 16) is a place men go to upon the body’s death. Hear Paul:

“Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (for we walk by faith not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.” (II Cor. 5:6-8)

“For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.” (Phil. 1:23, 24)

These passages make plain that there was a place Paul desired to go; there is not the least indication that he in any sense felt he had already gone to it or that it had, or ever would, come to him. The essential barrier to enjoyment of that place was his fleshly body. Not until the body was put off in death could his hope be realized.

Is there a sense in which saints this side of eternity share in that heavenly kingdom? Yes, indeed there is. The new covenant is a legal arrangement between two parties: God on the one side and ransomed sinners on the other. Under the new covenant, those who obey the gospel by repentance and baptism are acquitted from sin and made sons of God through Christ. As sons, we have citizenship and inheritance in heaven. (Eph. 2:19; Col. 3:20) We have been translated in contemplation of law from the dominion of sin to the kingdom of God’s dear son. (Col. 1:13) We enjoy the legal benefits of adoption and sonship now and are presented legally justified before the throne by and through the agency of Christ. (Eph. 2:5, 6; cf. Heb. 9:24) However, we are not actually in heaven, nor has heaven come down to earth. The whole arrangement is legal and contractual, awaiting ultimate fulfillment at the body’s death.

Conclusion

The new heavens, new earth, and new Jerusalem describe the covenantal habitation of the saints, the New Testament church. The legal benefits of the New Testament came in fulness in A.D. 70 when the Old was taken away that the New could assume its place. The saints today enjoy a face-to-face relationship with the Father through the mediation and agency of the risen Son. At the death of the body, the inheritance that is ours as a matter of law will become our own in very fact.

Kurt Simmons, www.preteristcentral.com

Notes:

[1] A. Plummer, The Revelation of St. John the Divine, Pulpit Commentary (Hendrickson, Peabody, MS), Vol. XXII, p. 509.

[2] It comes down out of heaven, not because it was first “raptured” there, but because the New Testament originates with God; he is the architect of our salvation.

[3] Irenaeus, Against Heresies, V, xxxvi, 1, 2; Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. I, p. 567.

[4] Tertullian, Against Marcion, III, xxv; Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. III, p. 342.

[5] Kenneth L. Gentry Jr., Christ's Resurrection and Ours, (Chalcedon, April 2003).

[6] “God seeks the redemption of the world as a created system of men and things...Christ’s labors will eventually effect the redemption of the created system of humanity and things.” Kenneth L. Gentry Jr, Three Views of the Millennium and Beyond (Zondervan, 1999), p. 43. Cf. Keith A. Mathison, Postmillennialism, An Eschatology of Hope (P&R Publishing, Phillipsburgn NJ, 1999), p. 107: “Christ’s atonement lays the foundation for the work of restoring all of man and all of creation.”

[7] Josephus, Wars, VI, iv, 5, 8.

[8] Josephus, Wars of the Jews, VI, ix, 3. This figure does not include those who perished in foreign cities or died in battles throughout the rest of Judah and Galilee.

[9] Josephus, Wars of the Jews, V, xii, 3, 4.

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Re: The New Jerusalem, The Covenantal Habitation of the Saints (Score: 1)
by chrisliv on Thursday, September 15 @ 19:51:25 PDT
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Well,

Forgive me for just skimming the article at this point, maybe I'll look at it closer soon.

I'm not necessarily advocating for a Heaven Now position over and against a future Hope of Heaven position, which is very near to the pie-in-the-sky mentality that does seem to cheapen the reality of Christ's fully-established Kingdom on Earth, here and now, as per the Great Commission.

But, you state:

"...some Preterists feel they were somehow mystically in “heaven now.” Is there any validity to this interpretation?"

It's not just "some" Preterists who talk like that. The writer of Hebrews talks that way, and he did so even before 70 AD:

"But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels," Heb. 12:22

As you see, it is present tense, and not "soon will be upon the consumation" or "upon resurrestion" or "after we depart these mortal tents" etc. It suggests that there is no separation when Kingdom citizens are on Earth, in the flesh.

So, I think there's room for discussion in this area.

Peace to you all,
C. Livingstone



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Re: The New Jerusalem, The Covenantal Habitation of the Saints (Score: 1)
by Sam on Friday, September 16 @ 15:12:20 PDT
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Simmons wrote, "Is there a sense in which saints this side of eternity share in that heavenly kingdom? Yes, indeed there is. The new covenant is a legal arrangement between two parties: God on the one side and ransomed sinners on the other. Under the new covenant, those who obey the gospel by repentance and baptism are acquitted from sin and made sons of God through Christ. As sons, we have citizenship and inheritance in heaven. (Eph. 2:19; Col. 3:20) We have been translated in contemplation of law from the dominion of sin to the kingdom of God’s dear son. (Col. 1:13) We enjoy the legal benefits of adoption and sonship now and are presented legally justified before the throne by and through the agency of Christ. (Eph. 2:5, 6; cf. Heb. 9:24) However, we are not actually in heaven, nor has heaven come down to earth. The whole arrangement is legal and contractual, awaiting ultimate fulfillment at the body’s death."

As long as this compartmentalizing of Christian/Preterist theology continues, the more preterism will suffer. One wonders where, at all, Paul makes such an arbitrary division of "legal" versus "actual." These are terms of lawyers, not Paul. To deny the mystical union (a very theological term) now with Christ, or somehow deprecate it to mere "legal" status removes immediately the true spiritual reality it portrays. The Bible uses two terms: "the real" (hupostasis) and the "shadowy." Simmons has us still under the legal (shadowy) until we get the real. But, for the NT authors, the "real" is entered into by faith (Heb. 11.1) immediately, entirely, and once and for all. The fact that we do not empirically experience all that trully are in Christ is not an argument against this. After all, faith is the "reality" of "things not seen" empirically. I am, therefore, clothed with Christ, risen with Christ, his name is on my forehead, and I am a jewel in his crown, not just legally, but here, now, and forever.

Samuel Frost
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Re: Is An After-Death New Jerusalem Just More Futurism? (Score: 1)
by chrisliv on Friday, September 16 @ 17:46:20 PDT
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Yeah,

I think there are subtle points involved in this topic, and ones in which Preterists can sound almost exactly like the Futurists.

Like when Mr. Simmons says things like: "this side of eternity...", "in contemplation of law...", "At the death of the body, the inheritance that is ours as a matter of law will become our own in very fact.", "The heavenly city... is a place men go to upon the body’s death."

As Preterists, we all know that New Jerusalem is not a gigantic cube-shaped satellite that drops out of the sky at a future End Times.

So, are we really saying that the dimension of Heaven and New Jerusalem is in Outer Space somewhere, only to be fully experienced after death and a departure from Earth?

Is Christ's Kingdom and Lordship really pie-in-the-sky-after-you-die, leaving the Lordship of Caesar as Sovereign on Earth?

Or, is it possible that the dimension of Heaven exists as much in the spacial area of the Earth as much as it supposedly exists in Outer Space somewhere?

I mean, The Book of Acts does give an example of Philip (the under-rated Apostle) transcending Time and Space, even before his death or 70AD.

Acts 8:39 & 40:

"And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea."

I know, many of you will say the Angel of the Lord and the Spirit refuses to interact with people any further in that manner after 70 AD, and now only interacts through the printed page and prayer. But you see what a religious tease that seems to be, i.e., early Christians having access to both the dimension of Heaven and Earth, but everybody else is asked to do whatever hostile a Caesar demands and then expect an inheritance in and after-death New Jerusalem.

No, the gates of New Jerusalem are open to all who dare to renounce the World System and come out of Satan. Our Lord told us nearly 2000 years ago that all power in Heaven "and in Earth" is given to him, not Caesar.

So, why should we accept a cheap counterfeit to the Kingdom and Lordship of Christ on the Earth, today?

Are we really so separated from God that it seems fitting to wait until death to live in the heavenly Jerusalem?

Peace to you all,
C. Livingstone


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Re: The New Jerusalem, The Covenantal Habitation of the Saints (Score: 1)
by Englishman on Monday, September 19 @ 11:26:18 PDT
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The Apostle Paul was skilled in legal matters.

Historically, the tribe of Levi was charged to be the teachers of the law. But after the captivity, the “law teaching” of Israel was not confined to that one tribe. This is evidenced by the fact the Sanhedrin “the official law council” did not need to be composed of Levites.

Apparently, Paul the Benjamite excelled as a student of law at the feet of one Gamaliel. Acts 22:3. Because of Paul’s study of the law it made him particularly suited to deal with the thorny legal issues of circumcision, adoption, etc.

Throughout Paul’s writings he had a flair for using legal terminology that sprang from his background in law. Usually legal terms have a very distinct meaning. Because of this, it is a challenge for any translating committee to recover the original meaning in a different language because of the specialized usage of the terms.

Our understanding of legal issues is generally limited by our current knowledge of law. For example, someone born and raised under “Chinese legal jurisprudence” may understand legal explanations quite differently than someone born and raised under the maxims of English common law.

The challenge for Bible students is to recover the sense of legal terminology as they were used and understood in the Hebrew culture of the first century. (Not necessarily in the “common law” or “statutory law” mindset of the 21st century.)

Mr. Simmons’ attempt to distinguish between “legal” and “actual” is one of the most fundamental and requisite obligations of a legal mind. The more you study law, the more this will become apparent. This distinction was axiomatic in Paul’s mind. He recognized this when he said “even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.” In other words, some things for us are “not yet” in the realm of time even though God sees them as consummated when speaking in the realm of eternity.

As we consider whether or not we are “in heaven now” let us try to identify the paramount facts that give rise to the question.

Consider Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

They had to spend a considerable length of time in hades. And so did David. And so did Daniel. And Hannah. Even the most notable and praiseworthy of the saints of old all had to go to hades. Each and every one of them.

But Jesus was on a mission.

To Him was given the key to unlock the gate of hades. And Paul himself was confirming that Jesus was going to accomplish this in his generation.

As a matter of fact, the long awaited Kingdom in its fullness would be christened by this very event. “And I say unto you, that many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.” How could there be such a kingdom if Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were nowhere to be found?

No resurrection. No kingdom.

And Jesus, being ever mindful of his mission, openly stated that He came to “heal the broken hearted”. The broken hearted, of course, were those boys and girls and men and women who had to go to hades.

Something changed. Our “legal standing”, our “covenantal position” is vastly far more superior than that of the most praiseworthy of the saints of old.

For us, the entrance to the gate to hades has now been slammed shut. We do not have to go there for one minute. Not even for one second.

We have been born into a world with a different set of facts in front of us. Dramatically different. (For those of you with artistic, literary, or poetic talents, here is an opportunity for you to flourish.)

No wonder some feel like they are in the new heavens and new earth right now. It is so overwhelming to some that they simply say that they are “now in heaven”. If this springs from a consideration of the magnitude of Christ’s victo

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