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Exclusive: TV preacher urges US assassination of Chavez
Posted on Tuesday, August 23 @ 23:30:05 PDT by Albert Persohn |
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by Albert Persohn Conservative US evangelist Pat Robertson called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, saying the leftist leader wanted to turn his country into "the launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism".
I wouldn't post this if a)I thought Pat was alone in his sentiments or b)I did not fear that religious futurists had influence over governments.
(This Article Came From the Sydney Morning Herald August 24, but was originally from Reuters)
Conservative US evangelist Pat Robertson called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, saying the leftist leader wanted to turn his country into "the launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism".
The founder of the Christian Coalition said during Monday night's television broadcast of his religious program, The 700 Club, that Chavez, one the most vocal critics of President George Bush, was a "terrific danger" to the United States.
"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," Robertson said.
"We don't need another $US200 billion ($265 billion) war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator," he continued. "It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."
State Department spokesman Sean McCormack condemned Robertson's comments as "inappropriate" and said they were from a private citizen and did not represent the US government position.
"Our department doesn't do that type of thing," said US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld yesterday.
In Caracas, Venezuelan Vice-President Jose Vicente Rangel said: "This is a huge hypocrisy to maintain an anti-terrorist line and at the same time have such terrorist statements as these made by Christian preacher Pat Robertson coming from the same country.
"The ball is in the US court now," he said.
The leftist Chavez has often accused the United States of plotting his overthrow or assassination. Alongside his ally Cuban leader Fidel Castro in Havana on Sunday, Chavez scoffed at the idea that he and Castro were destabilising troublemakers in Latin America.
In his broadcast, Robertson said: "You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it.
"It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."
A Robertson spokeswoman said he had no further comment at this point.
"Right now Dr Robertson does not have a statement and he's not doing any media interviews," she said.
Venezuela is the world's fifth largest oil exporter and a major supplier to the United States.
This was the most recent example of Robertson's controversial remarks. Criticising the State Department in 2003, he said "maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up".
State Department spokesman Richard Boucher had called the remark "despicable".
Robertson once declared that feminism "encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians".
He also suggested that activist judges were more of a threat to the United States than terrorists and disagreed with Bush's characterisation of Islam as a religion of peace.
Robertson's 700 Club reaches an average of 1 million American viewers daily, according to his website.
He ran for the Republican Party's presidential nomination in 1988.
Link:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/preacher-urges-assassination/2005/08/24/1124562871002.html#
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Albert Persohn is a columnist for PlanetPreterist.com. Albert Persohn is the senior pastor of Botany City Church in Sydney, Australia, a church of two congregations, one English and one Indonesian. Albert has a heart for small churches and a desire to plant churches in Australia. He was born in Canada in '58, served with Wyclife Bible Translators in Equador, the Philippines and Australia as an Electronics tech.
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Re: TV preacher urges US assassination of Chavez (Score: 0, Troll)
by chrisliv on Wednesday, August 24 @ 00:44:09 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | Yeah,
Robertson is a rabid voice of the neo-cons. It's important to see articles like this.
Even though Chavez is wildly popular in elections, it seems that Wash DC can't control him and may have supported the recent coup launched by para military groups from Columbia, which did last a day or two, before Chavez was restored.
Although much of Latin America has slipped out from Wash DC control, as an OPEC member that has been moving away from the Dollar, Venezula is a logical target of US coercion and imperialism.
Peace to you,
C. Livingstone |
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Re: TV preacher urges US assassination of Chavez (Score: 2, Interesting)
by davo on Wednesday, August 24 @ 01:32:23 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) |
What a joke, what pathetic blindness!! What would be the reaction if some key Islamic "religious leader" from the so-called "axis of evil" openly and publicly advocated for a fatwa against George W. – no doubt there would be an outcry and uproar of and for retribution courtesy of some smart bombs or the like. Pat Robertson and his ilk say some really foolish things – yet he seems to get away with it, hmm??
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Re: TV preacher urges US assassination of Chavez (Score: 2, Interesting)
by brad_religion on Wednesday, August 24 @ 05:31:36 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | If these recent words of Pat Robertson are not enough to realize what a false teacher he is (basically supporting murder-for-hire), then nothing else will show it. We already know from his past, that he is not a Christian nor a Christian teacher for a number of reasons (supporting one political party while condemning another, commanding you to give him money, his friendship with the world (Rupert Murdoch and dictators who have diamond mines), his perversion of the scriptures with support for the state of Israel, his condemnation of anyone who doesn't agree with the USA policies presented by Bush, his ghostwritten book, the "New World Order", etc).
He admits to changing society by coersion, not persuasion. He is what we would call a modern day pharisee, because he doesn't know the scriptures or God. He has gotten rich off of deception on his "christian" television show (better titled the 666 Club). It is one thing to profit through business dealings when those dealings are honest and ethical, which he doesn't even do at that point. But to use the gospel of Jesus Christ as a justification to get rich off the sick and dying is just reprehensible.
I think we, in the preterist and even futurist communities need to stand up against people like Pat Robertson, openly confront him and all the false teachers like him. He has the nerve to judge abortionists, homos, non-believers, etc, in spite of scripture clearly saying we are to judge only those who are within Christianity (1st Cor 5:9-13). Nowhere does scripture record the apostles using "hostile takeovers" of pagan governments that were deemed "terrorist". Nowhere does scripture record that the apostles rebelled against Rome or the Sanhedrin, unless it was for openly preaching the gospel (without using deception). Pat Robertson if he was a true believer, would not condemn Bill Clinton and promote George Bush. He would pray for both men as God's appointed ruler and submit to that authority (Romans 13:1-8) along with not speaking evil of them (2nd Peter 2:10).
How much is enough for us as true Christians to stand up against the swarm of televangelism like TBN and Pat Robertson? What will make us righteously angry enough to go there to protest them?
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Re: TV preacher urges US assassination of Chavez (Score: 1)
by Virgil on Wednesday, August 24 @ 06:23:25 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | For more than a year now I have been studying the Venezuela issue in much detail. Robertson said what is on the minds of many Americans, including mine. Is it the right thing to say or do? I don't know...it comes down to an ethical matter: do you kill one guy to save thousands? It's a military question that this country deals with every day. As far as I am concerned this has nothing to do with oil...it has everything to do with the freedom of millions of people.
Chavez is a communist thug who has killed many people in his ascention to power and many more innocent people will die before he goes away. That's one side of the issue. The other side of the issue is the fact that amazingly he actually WON the last election in Venezuela, which speaks volumes about the effectiveness of using wealth redistribution to buy votes. If the people of Venezuela are so stupid and ignorant to vote a communist into power they should also deal with the consequences and face the music of their choices. There is no need for any American's life to be lost to set them straight. |
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Re: TV preacher urges US assassination of Chavez (Score: 1)
by jcarter on Wednesday, August 24 @ 07:34:34 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | Good ole' Pat has also been praying for more seats to open up on the supreme court - which is tantamount to praying for people to die...
what a guy! |
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Re: Chavez Biographer's New UK Guardian Article: Good One! (Score: 1)
by chrisliv on Thursday, August 25 @ 11:38:09 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | Well,
Below is an early portion of the article and the tail end, too. It's pretty good, without being too right-wing or leftist, either. And it's nice to read an author who speaks from first-hand experience.
Peace to you all,
C. Livingstone
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/venezuela/story/0,12716,1555809,00.html
...Chávez is a genuinely revolutionary figure, one of those larger-than-life characters who surface regularly in the history of Latin America - and achieve power perhaps twice in a hundred years. He wants to change the history of the continent.
His close friend and role model is Fidel Castro, Cuba's long-serving leader. The two men meet regularly, talk constantly on the telephone, and have formed a close political and military alliance. Venezuela has deployed more than 20,000 Cuban doctors in its shanty-towns, and Cuba is the grateful recipient of cheap Venezuelan oil, replacing the subsidised oil it once used to receive from the Soviet Union. This, in the eyes of the US government, would itself be a heinous crime that would put Chávez at the top of its list for removal. The US has been at war with Cuba for nearly half a century, mostly conducted by economic means, and it only abandoned plans for Castro's direct overthrow after subscribing to a tacit agreement not to do so with the Soviet Union after the missile crisis of 1962.
The Americans would have dealt with Chávez long ago had they not been faced by two crucial obstacles. First, they have been notably preoccupied in recent years in other parts of the world, and have hardly had the time, the personnel, or the attention span to deal with the charismatic colonel. Second, Venezuela is one of the principal suppliers of oil to the US market (literally so in that 13,000 US petrol stations are owned by Citgo, an extension of Venezuela's state oil company). Any hasty attempt to overthrow the Venezuelan government would undoubtedly threaten this oil lifeline, and Chávez himself has long warned that his assassination would close down the pumps. With his popularity topping 70% in the polls, he would be a difficult figure to dislodge...
...Chávez is widely popular today, but for much of his presidency he has been a contested, even a hated figure, arousing widespread discontent within Venezuela's traditional white elite. Yet although his rhetoric is revolutionary, his reforms have been moderate and social democratic. He criticises the policies of "savage neo-liberalism" that have done so much harm to the poorer peoples of Venezuela and Latin America in the past 20 years, yet the private sector is still alive and well. His land reform is aimed chiefly at unproductive land and provides for compensation. His most obvious achievement, which should not have been controversial, has been to channel increased oil revenues into a fresh range of social projects that bring health and education into neglected shanty-towns.
The hatred that he arouses in the old opposition parties, which have seen their membership and influence dwindle, lies more in ideology and racial antipathy than in material loss. Some opponents dislike his friendship with Castro, his verbal hostility to the United States, and his criticisms of the Catholic church, and some people still have a residual hostility to the fact that he staged an unsuccessful military coup in 1992 when a young colonel in the parachute regiment. Many Latin Americans still find it difficult to come to terms with the idea of a progressive military man. But mostly they are alarmed by the way in which he has enfranchised the country's vast underclass, interrupting the cosy, US-influenced lifestyle of the white middle class with visions of a frightening world that lives beyond their apartheid-gated communities.
Over the past few years this anxious opposition has made several attempts to get rid of Chávez, with the tacit encouragement
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Finnish TV drops U.S. televangelist's show (Score: 1)
by EWMI on Thursday, August 25 @ 17:11:14 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | HELSINKI, Finland (AP) - The only Christian TV channel in Finland said Thursday it will stop airing shows by American televangelist Pat Robertson because of his call to assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.
The channel said its purpose was to spread a Christian message, not indulge in politics.
"It's sad that a leading Christian figure makes these kinds of statements," said the channel's executive, Martti Ojares. "The American style of mixing politics and Christian faith is also foreign to Finnish culture."
On Monday, Robertson called for the assassination of Chavez, saying the U.S. government should "take him out." Robertson apologized Wednesday after saying his comments had been misinterpreted.
The Helsinki-based TV7 began broadcasting in 2003, and has aired Robertson's show, The 700 Club, since then. The channel reaches about 1 million viewers in the country of 5.2 million.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2005/08/25/1187657-ap.html |
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Re: Parallel Between Today's Venezuela and Vietnam during the 1950s (Score: 1)
by chrisliv on Thursday, August 25 @ 21:46:19 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | Yeah,
Below is another portion from an Asia Times article that parallels today's Venezuela with Vietnam in the 1950s.
Interesting, another article made a Manuel Noriega parallel.
I suppose other examples, like the 1953 coup against Iranian Premier Mohammad Mossadeq by the CIA, could be another parallel to what could be planned for Venezuela.
Peace to you all,
C. Livingstone
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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/GH26Aa01.html
... Despite such apologies by Robertson and reassurances by the US, most people know that Robertson said publicly what some in the US have said privately when it comes to the removal of Chavez.
So the question becomes: why is Robertson (and those who share his views) so frustrated with the president of Venezuela? Is he frustrated with Chavez's attempts at building agricultural cooperatives through the implementation of land reform? Is Robertson frustrated with Venezuela using its oil revenue to promote literacy, health and other social programs? Or is it Chavez's call to review all natural resource extraction contracts to make sure that Venezuela is being properly compensated for such assets?
Whatever Robertson's frustrations with Chavez, they seem to be eerily reminiscent of the unwarranted frustrations the US had with the late Ho Chi Minh of Vietnam. The US was unnecessarily frustrated with the probability of having democratically held elections won by a socialist leader in the mid 1950s.
These were frustrations that did not allow the US to support the land reform efforts of Ho, that were then just as valid and necessary to Vietnam as the land reform efforts are now to Venezuela. These frustrations led to the demonization and conceptualization of Ho and his supporters. They became part of the feared "red menace" and "the domino theory" - just as Chavez and Venezuela have become Latin America's premier "rogue nation" and leader in the eyes of the US.
That view of Ho blinded the US from helping Vietnam with its deep and historical security concerns with China, against which it had fought several wars of independence, which made it impractical for communist Vietnam to walk lockstep with communist China in the realm of foreign and domestic policy. Similarly, Chavez and Venezuela are erroneously viewed as following the same "revolutionary socialist" path as Fidel Castro in Cuba.
Such parallels between Ho and Chavez - or even Castro - seem to suggest that the frustrations that Robertson has with the Venezuelan president have little to do with his desire for democracy and social justice and more to do with the promotion of imperialism and empire. Therefore, just as the frustrations that led the US to go to war with Ho and North Vietnam were unwarranted, so, too, are the frustrations that led Robertson to voice such inflammatory rhetoric towards Chavez of Venezuela.
Curtis A White is a freelance writer who lives in Endicott, New York.
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Re: Robertson's "frustration" with Perceived "growing problem" of Chavez (Score: 1)
by chrisliv on Friday, August 26 @ 15:04:57 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | Oh,
Here's another clip from a bright article by a Daily News reporter, Juan Gonzales.
Peace to you all,
C. Livingstone
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/col/story/340437p-290516c.html
... Last year, Exxon/Mobil, the world's largest corporation, posted the highest profits of any company in history - more than $25 billion. The oil giant, based in Irving, Tex., is on track to shatter that mark this year, with revenues that now approach $1 billion per day.
Which brings me to Pat Robertson and Hugo Chavez.
Robertson, the right-wing evangelist and friend of the Bush family, publicly called this week for the U.S. government to kill - or at least kidnap - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.
"This is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us badly," Robertson said. His less-than-Christian remarks ignited an outcry and forced him to issue an apology of sorts, though he still insisted that he had at least "focused our government's attention on a growing problem."
That "problem," quite simply, is that Chavez, a radical populist who has been voted into office repeatedly by huge majorities in his own country, controls the largest reserve of petroleum outside the Middle East.
Neither Robertson, nor former oil executives George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Condoleezza Rice, nor their buddies at Exxon/Mobil, Chevron, etc., are happy about all this.
Even more scandalous for Big Oil, Chavez is using Venezuela's windfall not to fatten his own country's oligarchy but to benefit the Venezuelan poor and help neighboring countries.
Yesterday, while Robertson was issuing his half-baked Chavez clarification, the Venezuelan president was in Montego Bay, Jamaica, where he announced a new oil agreement with that country's prime minister, P.J. Patterson.
Under the agreement, Venezuela will supply 22,000 barrels of oil a day to Jamaica for a mere $40 a barrel. That's far lower than the current world price of about $65 a barrel. With the price of gasoline in that destitute nation already more than $3.50 a gallon, the Chavez plan means more than half a million dollars a day in savings for Jamaica on oil imports... |
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Re: Pat Robertson Describes U.S. Foreign Policy (Score: 1)
by chrisliv on Saturday, August 27 @ 00:31:56 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | OK,
Here's another one that gives a short and not so sweet overview. It's pretty powerful, though. I'll skip the clip and just include the URL.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/hornberger/hornberger56.html
Peace to you all,
C. Livingstone
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