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I was shocked when I found out who the biggest failure in the Bible actually is…The biggest one in the whole Bible is God…I mean, He lost His top-ranking, most anointed angel; the first man He ever created; the first woman He ever created; the whole earth and all the fullness therein; a third of the angels, at least - that's a big loss, man….
-- Kenneth Copeland, Praise-a-thon on Praise The Lord, April 1988
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Exclusive: A Low Blow to Dispensational Theology
Posted on Thursday, August 18 @ 11:09:41 PDT by Virgil Vaduva |
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by Virgil Vaduva
For the past several days Americans and the rest of the world have been bombarded by the media with images and sounds of the “Jew-on-Jew” abuse taking place in the Gaza strip. True to his word, Ariel Sharon has started the evacuation of illegal Jewish settlements in the occupied Gaza Strip and the media is giving him hell for it. But surprisingly we haven’t heard a peep out of our Dispensationalist friends who usually are so savvy and up to date with Middle-East events. Oh why, you may ask?
What is happening currently in the Middle East, and more precisely, the withdrawal of Israel from the occupied Gaza territories is sending Dispensational theology back into the dark corner that it came out of. The self-made millionaire Hal Lindsey hasn’t said much regarding this issue and his website has been strangely mum regarding the Gaza events. Instead, him and his associate Jack Kinsella are covering the “Intelligent Design” debate and generic news items that have absolutely nothing to do with prophecy or Dispensationalism. Granted Lindsey has written a short “commentary” on how appalled he is at the change in the attitude of President Bush, he fails to put these events in a “prophetic perspective.” Could this attitude have anything to do with all his failed predictions that never came true?
Another friend of ours, Mr. Jack Van Impe has also been quiet about what is happening in Israel failing to utter a single word regarding the relevance of the events currently taking place in Israel.
But why does all this matter you may ask? Why it matters is very simple. Dispensational “theologians” have been practicing news-driven theology for decades. If a fly landed on a camel’s bottom in Israel, then the experts were to proclaim the fulfillment of such-and-such prophecy. When the 1967 and 1973 wars started and Israel displayed a solid retaliatory response against Egypt, this was according to these experts, solid proof that God stood behind the nation of Israel. This was nothing but evidence given by God himself to humanity that Israel is still the chosen people of God and that Gaza belongs to the Jewish people.
For decades they have applied loose and ridiculous methods of interpretation, if it can even be called that, to the Scripture in order to conveniently place their prophetic views in whatever contemporary scenario they found themselves in. Therefore it should not come as a surprise when the first thing that comes to my mind is a willingness to question these charlatans and give them a taste of their own medicine.
So folks, the question that our dear Dispensationalist celebrities need to answer is this: If the six days war had such a huge prophetic relevance in favor of your Dispensational theology, what kind of prophetic relevance does the withdrawal from Gaza have, because it certainly looks to me like, God-forbid, it does not favor your prophetic vision of universal war and destruction at all. Instead, it looks like this is a low blow to Dispensational theology? What say you?
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Re: A Low Blow to Dispensational Theology (Score: 2, Funny)
 by Writerx on Thursday, August 18 @ 11:24:49 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Great comments, Virgil. I snicker like none has ever snickered before. I wish Van Impe would say something though. Usually this stuff excites him and nothing makes me happier than to see what new series of hand actions he'll invent for the occasion.
Good going, Israel. Ruin my weekend.
-A.J. |
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Re: A Low Blow to Dispensational Theology (Score: 1)
by cinper on Thursday, August 18 @ 13:49:21 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Bravo! My sentiments exactly! |
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Re: A Low Blow to Dispensational Theology (Score: 1)
by mazuur on Thursday, August 18 @ 14:10:24 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | heh heh heh...excellent!
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Re: A Low Blow to Dispensational Theology (Score: 1)
by leslie on Thursday, August 18 @ 14:32:34 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Virgil, in watching the soap opera last night on XXX network. One of the 'spokesmen'for the 'withdrawal' said that in order to make an ALL JEWISH STATE,Israelis would have to pull out of areas of high Arab consentration. And he seemed to imply the removal of most, if not all non Jews in 'Israel Proper'.
My self I like the old Vietnam saying, "Declare victory and retreat."
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Re: A Low Blow to Dispensational Theology (Score: 1)
by zerubbabel on Thursday, August 18 @ 18:05:09 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | “When the 1967 and 1973 wars started…”
So Virgil, did they just “start” by spontaneous combustion? What you SHOULD say is,”When the Arabs attacked Israel for the crime of existing”
But that’s just a side note.
Here we go again. First of all you guys think you know something about dispensational theology because you watch Jack –in-the-box Van Impie. He does NOT represent serious dispensational theology.
This does not upset SERIOUS futurist eschatology at all. Intelligent dispensationalists know that the 67 and 73 wars were not fulfillment of prophecies proper but only set the stage for future fulfillment of prophecy in the coming tribulation. What is happening right now over there is actually setting the stage even further for the fulfillment of Zechariah 12, 13, and 14.
And BTW Virgil, I once asked you to tell me which explanation of these prophecies in Zechariah you believe in and you did not respond. Do you believe in the A.D 70 fulfillment or do you believe in Gary DeMar’s Esther explanation. I would suggest that neither can account for the details of the Zechariah prophecy.
Zerub
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Re: A Low Blow to Dispensational Theology (Score: 1)
by Everlasting on Monday, August 22 @ 05:20:45 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Hi Virgil,
I came across this article today. Hal Lindsey perceives in the Gaza withdrawal in Israel further proof of an impending crisis of immense biblical significance.
Everlasting.
"Replaying An Old, Old Story/ Hal Lindsey"
Hal Lindsey.
It is an old, old story – almost as old as the Bible itself. Jews emigrate to what they believe is a permanent homeland. They settle in, build houses, plant crops and build families and communities. As usual, they find themselves reviled as hated interlopers, and, after a generation or so, they are expelled, and relocated, until the next whim of fate uproots their lives again.
That story is being replayed for the umpteenth time, only this time, the Jews are being expelled to relocation camps by other Jews. As Israeli settlers – some of whom had spent a lifetime building their settlements – were carried away kicking and screaming by Israeli troops, jeering groups of Arab bystanders mocked them and Hamas terrorists fired mortars at Israeli installations.
An Israeli woman at a roadblock in southern Israel set herself on fire to protest the evacuations. Five years of unrelenting terror – coupled with political betrayal and absentee alliances – has forced an Israeli surrender to terror. It doesn't matter what anybody else calls it.
Hamas calls it "surrender." Islamic Jihad calls it "victory." The Palestinian Authority calls it the "first victory in the ongoing struggle for Jerusalem." Whether the West wants to see it or not, to the Islamic world it is proof positive that terrorism works.
The Gaza withdrawal had barely begun when media headlines blared, "Abbas says Israel must give up more than Gaza." The Wafa News Agency quoted Abbas on Monday:
The Israeli withdrawal that has begun today is an important and historic step that shouldn't only happen in Gaza, but also the West Bank and the rest of the land reaching to the 1949 borders.
In 1967, Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan and the Gaza Strip from Egypt. Both were used as staging areas in a war designed to annihilate Israel. Israel captured these areas in a defensive war in which they were fighting for their lives. They annexed them as a buffer zone against future attempts to annihilate them. All this was in accordance with established international law. The United States annexed California, Texas, New Mexico and Arizona with less justification.
Forgetting why Israel took the land in the first place, the media announced the West Bank was "occupied territory." All historical precedence of other nations was denied to Israel.
The cry of "occupied land" was repeated so often that even the next generation of Israelis began to believe it. In 1993, Israel agreed to a "land for peace" formula with Yasser Arafat. Israel offered limited autonomy over Jericho. But the moment it did, Arafat declared himself president of the "occupied" West Bank. The old proverb of "Give them an inch and they will take a mile" perfectly applies here. Before the ink was dry on the Oslo agreement, the media was speculating about a Palestinian state. Sharon's intention in withdrawing from Gaza was two-fold – the first was to demonstrate that it has been the Palestinians who have been the obstacle to peace all along. The second was to use the Gaza withdrawal as a "line in the sand" – putting Israel in a position to refuse further land concessions, thereby permanently establishing Israel's borders.
The Quartet squashed Sharon's first objective, by insisting Israel's "unilateral" withdrawal be coordinated and negotiated with the Palestinians. In so doing, Sharon's unilateral withdrawal became, in practice, a negotiated surrender under fire.
The Bush administration ripped the foundation from under Sharon's secondary plan of refusing future land concessions, creating a de facto Israeli border that incl
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Re: A Low Blow to Dispensational Theology (Score: 1)
by NB9M (brad@nb9m.com) on Tuesday, August 23 @ 12:28:18 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Virgil - I'm reposting this from an earlier post.
Here is a recent quote from "Messianic" Rabbi Eddie Chumney, Hebraic Heritage Ministries International (www.hebroots.org) He has a lot to say about the Gaza withdrawl.
The Israeli government
crackdown on those who support the settlers and
suppression of freedom of expression indicates that they
are fully committed to the withdrawal from the Gaza so
therefore the withdrawal from the Gaza is inevitable.
The magnitude and manner in which the Israeli
government will crack down on those who oppose
withdrawal from the Gaza and eventually a PLO state will
create seeds for a REBELLION against the Israeli
government and ultimately a SEPARATION from being
under the current Israeli government who is secular,
humanist and anti-Torah.
The Bible says that Gaza is forsaken in the 'Day of the
YHVH'
Zephaniah 1:14 The great day of the YHVH is near, it
is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of
the YHVH: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
Zephaniah 1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of
trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and
desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of
clouds and thick darkness,
Zephaniah 2:4 For Gaza shall be forsaken, and
Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at
the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up.
Assumptions: The Day of Yaweh has not yet happened, today's Jews are "God's Chosen People."
Major Premise: The Bible says that Gaza is forsaken in the 'Day of the YHVH'
Minor Premise: Gaza is being forsaken with support by the Israeli government
Conclusion: the Day of YHVH is very near!
One of many glaring examples of bad eschatology by this Zionist, Jewish "Messianic mission" which has PalTalk rooms, seminars by real Rabbis, books, ocean cruises to the Promised Land, etc.
Of course, the problem is TIMING:
Israelites long ago assimilated Gaza: Judges 1:18 - Also Judah took Gaza with the coast thereof, and Askelon with the coast thereof, and Ekron with the coast thereof.
Gaza was indeed later abandoned, as prophesied: Zephaniah 2:4 - For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Zechariah said, of this time, that there would be a King of Gaza (Zechariah 9:5). Amos said that there were palaces there at the time of its abandonment ( Amos 1:7)
There currently IS no Ashkelon "king of Gaza" with his Phillistine palaces. The prophecies concerning Gaza were fulfilled long ago; Judah assimilated Gaza after the death of Joshua, but later left it for the Phillistines. Today's Gaza cannot be the Gaza then.
"Askelon was one of the proudest satrapies of the Philistines; now there is not an inhabitant within its walls; and the prophecy of Zechariah is fulfilled: ‘The king shall perish from Gaza, and Askelon shall not be inhabited’" Zechariah 9:5. (Source: http://dictionary.crossmap.com/definition/askelon.htm)
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The Gaza Pullout is the Death Knell for the US (hebroots.org) (Score: 1)
by NB9M (brad@nb9m.com) on Wednesday, August 24 @ 07:51:09 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Just to illustrate how absurd, frantic and whacky the Zionist, dispensationalist Christian world view can be, here is another "Watchman on the Wall" excerpt from hebroots.org in response to the Gaza pullout:
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WATCHMAN COMMENT: The fall of the USA (the spiritual land of Babylon) as a world superpower (as a result of WW III) will be triggered by a confrontation with the Medes (Iran). This happens during a period of time known in the Bible as the 'day of YHVH.
Jeremiah 51:11 Make bright the arrows; gather the shields: YHVH hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his device is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance of his temple.
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So, The US is Babylon. Thus, we have the destruction of the US to look forward to! Not only are we raising our sons in our daughters in fear of a coming Anti-Christ, black helicopter locusts, 1/3 of the earth annihalated by nuclear winter, etc. we now see our rich, fertile homeland itself being destroyed in favor of a dried-out patch of land being fought over by two cultures we don't even understand.
Ever feel like we're being manipulated? How many churches are teaching this insanity? How can ANYONE say that eschatology is not important?
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Re: A Low Blow to Dispensational Theology (Score: 1)
by nyboskwaphia on Wednesday, August 24 @ 19:09:38 PDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | This article is simply otiose for the purposes of anti-dispensationalism. Futurism suffers an irreparable blow because negative events occur in Israel? You cannot be serious. You truly cannot be serious. You are aware, are you not, that futurism holds "a bad moon rising" for the Nation? Have you not read Revelation through the futurist’s paradigm? If you truly once were a serious dispensationalist, as you claim, this screaming oversight would not have been proported.
And did you truly believe a negative happening would silence futurist commentators?
I have always enjoyed engaging in lively yet civil debate with my dear preterist friends, but this article is simply vacant, vacuous, and void of any evidence of being a "low blow to dispensationalism." So please pardon my lack of civility. |
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