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News: The Libertarian Dilemma
Posted on Saturday, May 14 @ 13:10:37 PDT by Virgil

Politics By Gary DeMar
Libertarianism is the fashionable political system du jour. Here’s a definition of Libertarianism taken from the Preamble to the Libertarian Party Platform: “Consequently, we defend each person’s right to engage in any activity that is peaceful and honest, and welcome the diversity that freedom brings. The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power.”

The Internal Revenue Service offered the following definition during the process of granting the Advocates for Self-Government status as a non-profit educational organization:

“The basic premise of libertarianism is that each individual should be free to do as he or she pleases so long as he or she does not harm others. In the libertarian view, societies and governments infringe on individual liberties whenever they tax wealth, create penalties for victimless crimes, or otherwise attempt to control or regulate individual conduct which harms or benefits no one except the individual who engages in it.”

On the surface, without deeper investigation, the above definitions sound reasonable enough, especially those items related to taxation of wealth. I have a couple of questions:

* Who says an individual is free to do as he or she pleases so long as he or she does not harm others?

* Why is it wrong to harm other people?

* Are rights innate? If they are, prove it.

* Do lower animals have the same rights as higher animals (humans)? If not, why not?

As a theist, I can account for the origin of individual rights. The Declaration of Independence tells us that we are “endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights.” I agree. But once you postulate a Creator, you must also postulate the laws of the Creator, and the Creator maintains that some things are wrong regardless of how they affect other people.

Libertarianism claims that “victimless crimes” should not be punished. Why not? The libertarian will say that no harm is done except to those consenting to the behavior. Once again, account for this fundamental right within the parameters of the materialist worldview.

An atheist cannot account for rights, laws, or even the concept of freedom since they are ideological constructs conjured up in the mind. Atheists are materialists, and for the atheist anything that actually exists must be material or physical. This means that the mind, reason, numbers, and logic cannot exist within a materialist worldview. The Libertarian has been hoisted on his own petard.

Gary DeMar is president of American Vision and the author of more than 20 books. His latest is Myths, Lies, and Half Truths.


 
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Re: The Libertarian Dilemma (Score: 1)
by Virgil on Saturday, May 14 @ 13:29:37 PDT
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As a "libertarian-oriented" and Republican-registered American I could make a quick comment on this.

Libertarians are like Preterists...not all believe the same thing, and you can hardly find many libertarians who agree with each other on every issue out there.

Also, Gary, you seem to be making the assumption that Libertarianism is equivalent with atheism. That is certainly not the case and I don't see why libertarian philosophy HAS to be at odds with Christianity. In fact what libertarians espouse is much closer to Christianity than the garbage Republicans spout on a daily basis. When I look at Christ, I see Him trying to change people's lives not by force and laws (the way of the government giving or taking away rights), but through preaching and presenting the benefits of choosing His way.

We can see that Jesus did not go to the prostitutes and sinners with a warrant, badge and gun in his hand, but with words of love.

Steve Yates has an excellent piece on LewRockwell.com titled How I Became a Christian Libertarian. I think he provides some excellent answers to some of the questions you are raising, and there is no need for me to cover some of the same things he is dealing with.

At last, Liberarianism is relatively new in relation to Christianity, and as we all know it, modern Christianity is not exactly known for embracing new ideas and possibilities. Instead, we see the reality of modern Chrisitanity being a sociological manifestation of gut reactions and outright rejection of anything that "doesn't look right" - Preterism being a good example of this. I am however encouraged by the post-modern aim of the emerging Christianity which recognizes the complexity of human feelings and society and addresses contemporary problems effectively, with a scalpel instead of an axe.

Yates also makes a reference to Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions which seems to parallel very well what we are talking about. I think the reaction of Christianity to libertarianism is similiar with the development of science and the relation to some of the scientific revolutions of the 18th, 19th and 20th century.


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Re: The Libertarian Dilemma (Score: 1)
by large-hammer on Sunday, May 15 @ 11:25:26 PDT
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A problem with this understanding of libertarianism is in determining what constitutes harm. Where are the boundaries for harmful actions? Is immediate physical harm the only consideration?

Does a naked person walking about in public harm anybody? Physically, no.

Does a man dressing as a woman harm anybody? Does beastiality? Nobody gets injured.

Many behaviors have been assumed [by libertarians] to be "harmless." Among these are drug abuse, prostitution, homosexuality, etc. Nevertheless, they are harmful to impressionable people (especially youth) who learn by example the supposed acceptability of these practices. Their eyes detect that the lifestyle viewed by them is a viable option.

Those who would teach and attempt to enforce a Christian way of life (and their children) are harmed by such allowances. These things only rip apart families and communities and further drive them away from God.

As Communism/Socialism is overly community-centered, Libertarianism is overly ego-centric. It's all about the individual and his rights. Like self-willed children, the concern is "me, me, me." There is little to no regard for placing the individual within a context of social responsibility and decency. The only responsibility, according to this brand of Libertarianism, is to self, #1. But we are interconnected, and our actions, lifestyles and behaviors greatly impact our neighbors.


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