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Posted on Tuesday, November 09 @ 07:48:52 PST by Samuel Frost

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It was during my last year at Liberty Christian College that I read David Chilton’s Paradise Restored. I was raised within the Holiness Movement quarters, my family attending a Foursquare Gospel church (founded by Aimee Simple McPherson). The college I attended was a mega-church charismatic college. But, the school was accredited and some of the teachers were quite theologically aware. Nonetheless, Reformed material and Presbyterian theology were things no one really understood or read. That changed.

As the school grew, and as the Charismatic Movement (this was in the mid to late eighties) continued to make inroads into the denominations, “Reformed” charismatics began to show up. My last year in college, earning a Bachelor of Theology degree, was spent reading the books footnoted by Chilton. I found, also, Walt Hibbard’s newspaper Great Christian Books that offered everything I was hungry for, including Cross and the Parousia of Christ by Max King. In short, a year out of college and my worldview changed drastically. May David rest in peace.

Because of Chilton’s style of writing, Paradise Restored lead me to read James Jordan, Gary DeMar, Gary North, R.J. Rushdooney, Ray Sutton and George Grant. These men talked of history and culture and they spoke about God’s Law mandate and dominion. Kenneth Gentry, who was also apart of the group of men mentioned above, spoke about Christian victory in the world, and cited innumerable advances within history because of great Christian leaders operating their gifts for the benefit of the Church and mankind. Newton was a Christian scientist; Descartes was a Christian philosopher, as well as Locke and Berkeley. European government, since the Reformation of the 16th century, was largely influenced by appeals to biblical principles. Representative government, Cromwellian England, the Magna Carta were all Christian ideas of government “for the people, by the people.” These men caused my little Charismatic mind to see the big picture of God’s kingdom. Christianity was a world view, and it had answers to life’s problems.

I was raised within the church that taught, subliminally, that “church and politics” don’t mix. The Bible is about “the Christian walk” until “we get to heaven.” It did not address problems concerning the environment, debts consolidation, property rights, or the right to own a weapon in order to defend one’s family and property. But, David Chilton and Gary DeMar, over 12 years ago, changed all of that thinking in my mind. I was a post-millennialist!

Naturally, Kenneth Gentry’s constant crushing of Dispensationalism (which was my background in the Foursquare church) let me see where this “anti-politic” mindset came from. Christians may have some influence on culture, but ultimately, they will not. The world, before the Coming of Christ, will have exterminated those Christians “left behind.” Ultimately, things are going to get worse. “We are in the last days.” Without going into the details of my conversion to Preterism (or Transmillennialism, call it what you like), my post-millennialist thinking did not change in the least. In fact, by placing the Second Coming, Resurrection of the Dead, and Great Judgment in C.E. 70, the impetus of dominion was more highlighted, more compelling, and much clearer. Time is on our side. Time is not on Dispensationalism’s side. They are time-restrained.

Our model, given to us in Revelation 22, is kingdom infiltration “in the world.” “Its leaves are for the healing of the nations.” “And on no day will its gates be shut.” Culture is being drawn into the gates of salvation. “Nations” make up culture, and as more “nations” come in, the more culture reflects that out come. In short, Preterism teaches that we are living in the Age to Come, World without End. The motto of Christ Covenant Church, adopted in 2002, is simple: Bringing healing to the nations through the knowledge of the Gospel. In short, not only are we reaching out to the lost (those “outside the gates”), but we are reaching out to those brothers and sisters diluted with the disease known as Lindsey’s Syndrome (you figure it out). We say to the whole universal church: change your thinking! We say to the world: “Kiss the Son, lest His wrath flare up against you!” (Psalm 2).

Imagine, if you will, that all churches, parishes, cathedrals and house-churches thought like this. Imagine, if you will, that the supposed 70 million Evangelicals in America thought like this. Take that a step further: imagine if every Christian had no end times view, but only a vision of the future based on bringing healing to the nations by transforming culture according to biblical principles of God’s grace and redeeming love in Christ. Can you see it? Can you feel it? My children, and the children of Christ Covenant Church and other Preterist fellowships, are being raised with this mentality: the sky is the limit, there is no End, get busy! This is the next generation of little Virgils, little Sams, little Daves.

In conclusion, I wrote this piece because of Virgil’s selection of political articles and the re-election of George W. Bush, an Evangelical Methodist. Regardless of what one thinks about him and many of his policies (America ain’t the Kingdom of God, folks), Christians sent a clear message to America in general: it’s the morality, stupid! Where did this come from? Do I have to tell you? You know Him personally if you are reading this. Here is the question for the hour, the question for this generation of Preterists, the million-dollar winner take all question: What is God saying and doing in our midst, today? Now, remember, when you, a Bible fanatic, answer this question, be sure to frame your answer “according to the Bible.” Does God have anything to say on economics? Pre-emptive warfare? Democracy building? Homosexual marriage? Abortion? Pornography? IRS? Social Security?

Let the games begin...

Pastor Samuel M. Frost, Ph.D. (student) Christ Covenant Church 22nd Week After Trinity, 2004 St. Petersburg, FL

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Samuel Frost is a columnist for PlanetPreterist.com. Samuel is a MA Pastor of Christ Covenant Church in Tampa Florida. He is the author of Misplaced Hope and Exegetical Essays on the Resurrection of the Dead, both available in the PlanetPreterist bookstore.

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Re: Let the games begin (Score: 1)
by Erick on Tuesday, November 09 @ 16:24:21 PST
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Good article Sam, I have always been perplexed by arguments (from Christians no less) trying to prove that Christ is not due allegiance by "all men everywhere," and that the world He created and all its institutions are not ultimately subject to God's Son. He is the "King of Kings." Two questions we've struggled with throughout history is, "Is the world subject to a particular church body?" and, "To what extent can we legislate morality, and should we use the Bible to guide us in this - to what extent?" I know some say Christians shouldn't be involved in government, but what about Christ Himself, is he not involved? Perhaps some will argue that there should be no government in the world AT ALL - in fact, I think this is mostly what this article will lead to on this site. But, the sad part is that we Christians have been so dumbed down academically, and theologically (due to futurism), most of us wouldn't know what to do with governmental authority if we had it, and most likely we would abuse it. Hopefully the preterist movement will shed some productive light on this subject other than "Pull out!" or "Take over!" We have a strong man of faith in the White House now who is not imposing his faith on everyone, and by all the rhetoric out there you'd think he was Nero. You can't please all the people all the time - period. Good luck, this is a touchy subject.


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by kfiech on Monday, November 15 @ 12:20:15 PST
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Sam,

"What is God saying and doing in our midst, today...according to the Bible?"

I have found no equal comprehensively nor dynamically to Vision Forum Ministries in this regard. They are speaking to virtually all aspects of life about the family, church, and civil government through the lens of the Bible.

Your brother,
Kurt


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God Himself Will Be With Them (Score: 1)
by DavidF on Monday, November 15 @ 20:46:25 PST
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Samuel:

Your mention of Rev. 22 “healing of the nations” shows an outstanding equivalent for the dominion directives found throughout Scripture. I have been imagining this principle since the late 1980’s when I too was led to read Rushdooney, North and Grant, and it sure is satisfying to see your own interest in this world-view.

I hope you will write more in answer to your great questions. Since we have all the time in the world, what does God, according to the Bible, want us to do with all of this time and resources? I think a great place to start is Daniel. I wrote the following comments to Nate a few months back and they should partially fill your answer.

“There are other Scriptures which reveal God’s work post A.D. 70. A few from the book of Daniel are excellent examples.

First, Dan. 2:35 & 44 shows us that God’s KINGDOM (not religion) becomes a huge mountain and fills the whole earth and endures forever, that is, it is progressively visible in the physical world.

Interestingly, His KINGDOM crushes four political kingdoms. Political kingdoms administer justice and keep earthly society in control. His kingdom progressively “becomes” the kingdom which covers the whole earth. Is it logical to say that His kingdom is a “religion” that will administer justice and keep control of the earth for Him? Is it “religious” ministers who arrest criminals and dispense justice? Is it the church preacher who determines who will pave the roads in his city? Not at all, it is civil/political officers who take dominion and Christ’s government will do no less than that. The kingdom [of God] pictured as a mere religion is impossibly unreal.

Secondly, Dan. 7:14 & 27 illustrates that the dominion of the physical world “under the whole heaven” is now the possession of the Son of Man and His saints (post A.D. 70).

His KINGDOM (not religion) will not pass away and all nations and dominions shall “serve and obey Him”. The obedience spoken of in this passage specifically pertains to social laws for dominion of earth. The civil control of all that is “under the whole heaven” is now the responsibility of Jesus Christ - and His saints who dwell under those heavens.”

Samuel, I appreciate your bringing this world-view of nation healing to our attention. I think you are a good writer and can communicate these ideas with clarity and appeal.

Now, I would like to raise an important counterpoint which I noticed with something you said to Erick. Democracy, by definition means demos (the people) have the power (kratos) to control through their own laws; demos-kratos. Democracy is a grand temporary method for the USA, but I would encourage you to regard Christendom as a “Theos-kratos” because that is precisely what Jesus Christ founded; a Christian Theocracy.

Notice in Dan. 7:14 that post A.D. 70 the “Son of Man” was given an everlasting dominion and kingdom. The “Son of Man” is also “Theos” (God). We see here that Jesus Christ - Theos - has the dominion and power and therefore His kingdom is a Theocracy.

Nonetheless, it is correct to say that Christendom is at the same time a democracy; isn’t this magnificent. Because Jesus Christ is a man, the Son of Man, and as such represents demos (His people) and because He is also Theos, His kingdom is both theocratic and democratic, a theocratic democracy. Jesus Christ executes power and control over all things in heaven and on earth because that is where His kingdom is, and that is where He is. And more than that - now in post A.D. 70 Theos is controlling through demos, His people.

“Now the dwelling of God [Theos] is with men [demos]…God [Theos] Himself will be with them…” Rev. 21:3.

Did you ever notice the parallel characteristics of the “Son of Man” - Theos, in Dan. 7:14 and His people in 7:27? They both have been given dominion, the power to heal the nations “under the whole heaven”. And so, I ask along

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