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Exclusive: Some Socio-Political Realities and Implications of Preterism
Posted on Friday, October 29 @ 12:30:58 PDT by Virgil Vaduva |
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by Virgil Vaduva Because my recent column spurred a flurry of comments, and because I wanted to respond to some of these comments before Election Day, I decided to tackle the issue from a different perspective. Does Preterism give us any direction and guidance in how to approach the political process? How can we best promote freedom while reaching people from Christ? Can our Union of States be affected by these views in a positive way?
In my opinion, there are several factors that appear to influence our lives, philosophies and worldviews. The factors, which we could better call “premises”, are non-negotiable. They are solidly part of our reality and regardless of our political, theological and social views, they will not change so whatever resolution we provide to societal problems, it will have to encompass them:
The United States Constitution while an excellent document is also a flawed, man-made document, not the Gospel.
While on Earth, we are all part of a human society – a geo-political construct – and have the ability to influence it for better or for worse.
Differences of opinion will always exist, regardless of what our own opinions are.
Mankind will naturally always be greedy and jealous of others.
Mankind is free to accept or reject any opinion and argument, regardless of the source – including God Himself.
I am sure that others could come up with more (or even different) premises, but these are my own, and I recognize them as foundational for even starting to understand our reality – and of course, I am speaking mostly as an American, living in the United States of America; because I am speaking as such, I am forced to manage my life and my interaction with those around me based on these premises, and since these premises are non-negotiable, any attempt to violate them would result in my arrival at a wrong conclusion concerning reality and life. Since my goal is to interpret reality as accurately as possible, I will most certainly put my interpretation in the context that Jesus has already returned and that our reality, whatever it may be, it is encompassed by yet a larger one, which is the overwhelming presence of Christ and His Kingdom which permeates all aspects of life. This all-encompassing reality cannot be seen with human eyes, therefore it is hard to grasp it here and now. This raises even more questions: Should Christians even bother relating to society at all? In the scheme of things, does it make a difference? Millions of years from now, will it matter who won the elections in the U.S. in 2004? Since I don’t want to bore the reader, I will cover a few points rather quickly, and then hopefully later address comments and questions raised.
The Reality of Society
The reality of our society is something that is simply fascinating to me. It is interesting to note that God meant for us to live together with other people – that is why Adam was not created alone. Terry Hall often uses an interesting illustration to make a point: if one day you wake up and you realize that everyone but you on the entire planet has disappeared. You are the only one left. Suddenly you realize that everything in the world belongs to you – all the cars, money, homes, food, etc. All of it belongs to you! How often did we all as children imagine this sci-fi scenario and thought how “cool” it would be to own the planet? It is a great thing to dream about and imagine, however it becomes problematic in that soon you will realize that you would be miserable and unhappy because you have nobody to share your life with. This safely leads us to the conclusion that societal value comes from a variety of people interacting with each other. Therefore variety and interaction creates value!
Legalizing Morality
In their book “The Social Construction of Reality”, Peter Berger and Thomas Luckman approached the issue of reality in a straightforward manner: “I know that my natural attitude of others, that they also comprehend the objectifications by which this world is ordered, that they also organize this world around the “here and now” of their being, in it and have projects for working in it. I also know, of course, that the others have a perspective on this common world that is not identical with me. My “here” is not their “there.” My “now” does not fully overlap with theirs. My projects differ from and may even conflict with theirs. All the same, I know that I live with them in a common world. Most importantly, I know that there is an ongoing correspondence between my meanings and their meanings in this world, that we share a common sense about its reality. The natural attitude is the attitude of commonsense consciousness precisely because it refers to a world that is common to many men. Commonsense knowledge is the knowledge I share with others in the normal, self-evidence routines of everyday life.” (pp. 23)
What is interesting about Berger and Luckman’s perspective, is that they recognize both a global reality – “I know it is self-evident and real” – and a personal reality – “My ‘here’ is not your ‘there’” – existing simultaneously, and simultaneously being valid. Now before our brains explode from confusion overload, can we at least agree that “morality” is not as black and white as like to think? One story which comes to my mind that would help everyone relate to my point is the story of the very first American missionaries going to Africa to preach the Gospel. When they arrived, they immediately communicated to the native women that it was “wrong” to walk around without covering their breasts. Clearly in some of the African cultures, a woman’s breasts being displayed in public is a non-issue, while in our culture we perceive it as morally “wrong”, which is why we have laws banning it. So how do we then reconcile these two diametrically opposing views?
The Importance of the States
The idea of the States being a haven for freedom and independence goes all the way back to the Federalist Papers. In No. 45, Madison wrote: “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.”
So then it is not unreasonable to expect the federal government to fail when attempting to pass and enforce laws regulating morality. While Madison may have not had the insight to predict that in year 2004 women would be willing to kill their own babies, and men would want to marry other men, he certainly had the sense to understand that any federal attempt to curb such immoral behavior would be futile. In fact, Madison expected a system in which “without the intervention of the State legislatures, the President of the United States cannot be elected at all.” He continued saying, “They must in all cases have a great share in his appointment, and will, perhaps, in most cases, of themselves determine it.” Madison saw even the Senate of the United States as being appointed by Sates legislatures, “thus each of the principal branches of the federal government will owe its existence more or less to the favor of the State governments, and must consequently feel a dependence...” (The Federalist Papers, No. 45: Madison). It is not unreasonable to claim therefore that the founding fathers of our country did not envision a federal government which passes laws which attempt to reconcile Western and African moral differences for example.
Those of you who are strongly – and maybe justifiably so – supporting a third-party presidential candidate, are supporting him based on promises made by the candidate. Both the Constitutional Party candidate and the Libertarian candidate promised to “abolish the 16th amendment and the IRS.” As I commented before, I would like both these candidates to explain to us in great detail how they will go about doing this. The President does not have the authority to abolish constitutional amendments, nor can he abolish a government agency that handles government income created by a constitutional amendment. Thus in quite a clear sense, those of you supporting a third-party presidential candidate are in fact acting against the most basic institutional guiding lines of our country. You are in a direct and unequivocal way taking power from the States and give it to the federal government. How then, can you be so outraged over the lacking performance of President Bush? Should you not then abstain from voting altogether in order to protect the constitutional elements and the limited form of government expected by our founding fathers?
In his paper “Can we legislate morality”, Rushdoony wrote “Law is good, proper, and essential in its place, but law can save no man, nor can law remake man and society.” I couldn’t agree more. Which is why I believe in a federal government which does not pass laws which regulate murder, abortion, homosexuality or any other thing which we would deem “immoral.” Only in case of war, in which the reality of imminent danger is palpable should the federal government exercise its enforcing authority and destroy the enemies of our States. And most certainly, since Christ’s Kingdom is all encompassing, why should we even consider legislating anything related to individual rights at a federal level? As we can plainly see as Preterists, the gates of the New Jerusalem are wide open allowing everyone to enter and leave as they wish, therefore it is quite evident that the States should handle their own moral legislation – be it biblical or not – and thus deal with the consequences of their good or bad choices. Only a system implemented this way would allow biblical morality and legislation to shine and prove itself to the world. With the federal boot on out throats, today we are in the unfortunate situation of not being able to ban abortion and homosexuality if we so wish, which is why only when States are allowed to be truly independent from federal intervention – be it moral or otherwise – can true moral value be created by the variety and differences in state laws!
Conclusion
So is morality as black and white as we think? Could it be that God allows us to bear some degree of error in our personal understanding of the world, while the larger, and more complete truth will be revealed to us later on, maybe after we physically die? Regardless, we need to understand that uniformity, in the form of socialism, communism, Christian legalism, etc, devalues both the society and the individual, while variety creates value. Jesus never once forced people to follow him. He never used force to stop people from sinning, otherwise grace would have been diminished and made inconsequential. Was Paul also not an advocate of unbridled freedom and personal choice as well? In Romans 5, he wrote “The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” This is by no means a license to sin more, but it does provide a brilliant insight into the mind of God: freedom brings grace to light, and legalism will hide salvation.
Since our understanding of the reality of our society appears to be to some degree subjective, we should, especially as Preterists, understand and profess our differences in regards to society and we should all be unified. Thousands of years from now, we may look back and laugh at our insistence on the importance of November 2, 2004, but our children and grandchildren may not have the luxury to do it a few decades from now. Those of you proposing a third-party candidate as the savior of our society should not forget that a direct vote for President is an aberration in itself. Still, you continue to refuse to be consistent and are still willingly ready to hand over power to yet another federal suit.
I recognize that whoever will end up as the President, will be severely limited in his attempt to shift power to the States, therefore I see it fit that President Bush would be the best choice for President - mostly because of what I see as an acute need to defeat liberalism and socialism in our society. Those who disagree should remember Ross Perot and the disastrous presidency of Bill Clinton.
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by kfiech on Friday, October 29 @ 14:10:05 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | Virgil said: "...can we at least agree that “morality” is not as black and white as like to think? One story which comes to my mind that would help everyone relate to my point is the story of the very first American missionaries going to Africa to preach the Gospel. When they arrived, they immediately communicated to the native women that it was “wrong” to walk around without covering their breasts. Clearly in some of the African cultures, a woman’s breasts being displayed in public is a non-issue, while in our culture we perceive it as morally “wrong”, which is why we have laws banning it. So how do we then reconcile these two diametrically opposing views?"
Virgil, of course morality is black and white. We have an absolute standard and God's Word provides it. Baring breasts in public, anywhere, is wrong, and we have God covering up Adam and Eve to prove it. Pslams 2 shows that ALL nations are to "kiss the Son" and walk in God's way. To suggest otherwise is just plain wrong. God's Word provides the "right" answer for everything we do and think, even in how we vote for our rulers.
Your brother,
Kurt
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Re: Some Socio-Political Realities and Implications of Preterism (Score: 1)
by Zorro on Friday, October 29 @ 19:48:04 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | 'So is morality as black and white as we think?'
It never was. The Law was not imposed, it was requested. That Christ saved a whore, from those who by the Law had every 'right' to stone her (in the worse use of religion anywhere and at any time) is a rejection of their request. The ultimate and profound end of that request was in 70AD. Yet the plea of that request continues amongst the 'sinless'. The calling down of our wrath and calling it God's is the essential malady of man. |
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Re: Some Socio-Political Realities and Implications of Preterism (Score: 1)
by Islamaphobe on Friday, October 29 @ 20:46:19 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | I believe that the purpose of Virgil's article was to relate preterist theology to the forthcoming election. I shall post a comment designed to bring the discussion back to that topic.
I agree wholeheartedly with Virgil's conclusion that a vote for George Bush is the best way to vote so as to support the beliefs that I associate with that theology because we have "an acute need to defeat liberalism and socialism in our society." This election boils down to a vote in favor of continuing down the secular road on which we have been traveling for decades or in favor of reversing course and promoting the values that we associate with Christianity.
Some who post here say Bush has failed us and that a vote to keep him in office is meaningless. The two leading political parties are great coalitions of interest groups, and certainly within the Republican party there are many with whom I do not agree. But I also believe that the dominant voice in the Republican party is one that favors much of what Virgil supports in his article. Rome was not built in a day, and the kind of course reversal our society requires will not be achieved in one presidential term. If the Democrats can be turned back in this election, however, and if the Republicans can increase their Senate majority, the next four years can be the most productive since Reagan's first term, perhaps even better since Reagan did not have a Republican Congress to work with.
Yes, we do need a restoration of states' rights and true federalism, but we will never get it under a President John Kerry. When Bush is reelected and (I hope) the Republican majority in the Senate increases, Bush will be positioned to accomplish the greatest reconstitution of the federal judiciary in many decades. That is something that has to happen if federalism is to be restored.
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Re: Some Socio-Political Realities and Implications of Preterism (Score: 1)
by Sam on Saturday, October 30 @ 08:26:14 PDT (User Info | Send a Message) | Virgil,
A timely debate between Gentry over "who to vote for" is right up your alley, found here:
http://www.visionforumministries.org/sections/hotcon/ht/ballotbox/votingethics/
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Re: Some Socio-Political Realities and Implications of Preterism (Score: 1)
by Ed on Monday, November 01 @ 11:27:11 PST (User Info | Send a Message) | For those who disagree with Virgil's (and thus my) assessment of things political, it seems that they embrace a "theonomic" view of things - meaning that "God's Law" should be the standard of rule in a Christian country.
Two problems, one practical and one theological, come to mind immediately. First, the practical.
It could rightly be argued that we are NOT a Christian country - anymore. We may have been, but that too has been contradicted in the work done by Mark Noll. Many quote our Founding Fathers' many references to God and scripture. Many quote the various state constitutions that contain oaths to the Christian religion.
However, what is neglected is the present state of things. We left the moorings of the Christian faith in this country long ago. Does that mean that there are not remnants, residue of a Christian culture here? Certainly not. The reality that Americans rush to the aid of the oppressed, and hurting is evidence of a Christian paradigm. But, is that enough to call ourselves a Christian country? Much more needs to be done before biblical law can (this is assuming the theonomic argument) be implemented. Even Rushdoony, father of Reconstructionism, states that biblical law cannot be imposed on a non-biblical culture. And yet, his followers continue to impose what ancient Israel could not follow. His followers continue to demand, without the pre-requisite of revival, a return to an Israelitish theocracy.
Secondly, I would like to address the theological side of the argument. Was the Mosaic Law ever the theocratic standard for even Israel? You would be hard pressed to prove that to me. David, the king of whom God said was "a man after my own heart", committed adultery and murder. Under the Mosaic administration, which our theocratic friends demand through the election of a "real Christian", David should have been stoned to death. Both offenses carry the death penalty. Yet, God killed his children. God visited the sins of the father upon the children. Why would God do that? Do you think He was trying to show us a SHADOW of things to come - like cause and effect, like the passing on of sinfulness to our offspring?
The Pharisees read the scriptures of the Hebrew bible, and came to wrong conclusions about how it applied to themselves and to others. In this development, they because legalistic, and judgmental. I see the same problem occurring here.
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