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Hypo Preterism: Slander
Posted on Wednesday, April 21 @ 18:58:10 PDT by Virgil

Critical Articles KingNeb submitted: ""Slander" according to Britannica 2003 CD Edition - "misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation" -- On page XV in the "editor's introduction" of Keith Mathison's book, "When Shall These Things Be? A Reformed Response to Hyper-Preterism", it says...

" The origins of hyper-preterism are somewhat difficult to trace. There have always been men in the church who have believed that some New Testament prophecies were fulfilled in the first century. Many, for example, have taught that Jesus predicted the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple - an event that occurred in A.D. 70. But systematic and total preterism is difficult to find anywhere in the church until the nineteenth century. Although the view may have been held at an earlier date by some obscure individual or group, one of the first open proponents of hyper-preterism was John Humphrey Noyes (1811-86), the founder of the Oneida Community. Noyes founded a perfectionist commune in Oneida, New York, that lived by his rather bizarre teachings regarding property and sex."

On it goes with a quote from John Noyes concerning that he believed the second coming had already happened. In a footnote, they mention how John also advocated "free love, urging the members of the community to engage is {should be 'in', typo in book} sexual intercourse with as many partners as possible."

This quote is only three pages into the book. Now, I try to be open minded and humble and am fully aware that I can err. When I bought this book, I was anticipating a good healthy challenge from some Reformed men of whom I have read in the past and gained respect for. In fact, Mathison's book on Dispensationalism aided me in coming out of that and into Postmillennialism. But this little paragraph here infuriated me.

Notice what the reader (only a reader who has never read the current 'hyper-preterist' books nor has any personal relationship with one) is sucked into believing just three pages into the material. John Noyes, a man whom every 'hyper-preterist' I know of, including myself, would consider INSANE and a heretic due to his abominable teaching of 'free-love', is deliberately called "one of the first open proponents of hyper-preterism."

Let's turn this around. How would Keith Mathison, a Trinitarian, calvinist, postmillennialist, feel if in a book in response to his teachings gives a list of postmillennialist with Daniel Whitby near the top and then mentions Keith in the list, and then makes no attempt whatsoever to let the reader know that Daniel Whitby was a liberal? Whitby was an Arminian minister in the Church of England, known for being strongly anti-Calvinistic, and later gave evidence of strong Arian and Unitarian tendencies. Would Keith Mathison except Daniel Whitby as a faithful representative of his 'postmillennialism' ? Both of them are postmillennial! Keith is vehemently opposed to Unitarianism and Arminianism. "But hey, I don't have to let the reader know that. I'm going to put these two in the same list and give the reader the impression that these two men, because of their postmillennialism, are on the same level."

The fact is, no 'hyper-preterist' that I know of (and I know a lot of them) would approve of John Noyes. If John Noyes himself actually saw Jesus come in the clouds and had a polaroid, his 'free-love' teaching would immediately put him on my list of wackos I would stay clear away from. And he would be on the lists of Sam Frost, Don Preston, Ed Stevens, and Max King as well.

What Mathison does here just three pages into the book is absolutely disgusting and twisted and, I believe, a deliberate attempt to prejudice the reader into thinking "you better watch these hyper-preterists - one of their first proponents swapped wives."

Hey, next month, I think I'll write a book called "A Response to Postmillennialism: The Eschatology of Free-Willy and Unitarians" with the first chapter "A direct response to Daniel Whitby and Keith Mathison"."


 
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Re: Slander (Score: 1)
by doughoist on Monday, February 21 @ 13:47:21 PST
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You are so right but you are probably to good a person to write such a book. At least I hope you are. Turn the other cheek dear brother but be ready with your reply. I hope that the response to Matthisons book will include your post or at least somthing very similar.


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Re: Slander (Score: 1)
by philmute on Tuesday, April 19 @ 00:38:10 PDT
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Ah beautifully spotted, in a propaganda culture how do we avoid being just like the enemy? You can never defend your way of life because in doing so you destroy it. Those lines of Yeats come true 'all changed, changed utterly; a terrible beauty is born, and what rough beast his hour come round at last slouches towards Bethelehem to be born'. None so ready to deceive as those who practice too believe.


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