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Preterism: If This Isn't Heaven, I Don't Know What Is
Posted on Monday, March 22 @ 12:42:37 PST by John

Preterism ...I've heard sermons that describe heaven down to the size of the gold cobblestones on the streets of gold, and the dialogue of heavenly inhabitants. I think these sermons go way beyond what God in the Bible actually intends to teach us. One thing I've become more dogmatic about, however, is what Jesus wants us to be doing here on earth. I would like to provide you with Biblical reasons for trying to create "heaven on earth," and Biblical reasons why we can succeed in doing so...

If This Isn't Heaven, I Don't Know What Is

Biblical Reasons Why We Should And Practical Suggestions on How We Can Create Heaven on Earth

And it came to pass, that, as He was praying in a certain place, when He ceased, one of His disciples said unto Him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples. And He said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. Luke 11:1-2

The 100 Million Club

There may be as many as 100 million Americans who call themselves followers of Christ who

  • do not want God's Name to be hallowed,
  • are not working to expand His Kingdom, and
  • do not lift a finger to see that God's Commandments are obeyed on earth as they are in heaven.

    All efforts to improve the human condition and bring about the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies concerning a coming "Golden Age" are sinful, they believe, because things are supposed to get worse and worse until Jesus comes again, and trying to build the Kingdom of God in our lifetime would only delay His Second Coming.

    This is more than a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's a prescription for disaster. And the patient is desperate for a new Physician.

    Many others who call themselves Christians don't think quite so passionately about "the Rapture" and "Biblical prophecy," but they do think about heaven. That's where they're going to go when they die, they believe, and they don't worry about injustice, pain and suffering on this earth because it will all be gone in heaven. They're just standing by. Waiting.

    I used to be a Bible-believing Christian who believed I was going to go to heaven immediately upon death. I still consider myself a Bible-believing Christian, and I'll be willing to put myself to your test in a moment. But the more I read the Bible -- including all the dusty parts about kings and prophets, and including the things Jesus said -- the less dogmatic I am about what exactly happens to me when I die, and all the details about the next life. I've heard sermons that describe heaven down to the size of the gold cobblestones on the streets of gold, and the dialogue of heavenly inhabitants. I think these sermons go way beyond what God in the Bible actually intends to teach us.

    One thing I've become more dogmatic about, however, is what Jesus wants us to be doing here on earth. I would like to provide you with Biblical reasons for trying to create "heaven on earth," and Biblical reasons why we can succeed in doing so.

    The idea for the title of this book comes from Kurt Vonnegut. I haven't read any of his books. He doesn't appeal to me. I just happened across a recent article of his which, while confirming the good sense of my not reading his books, did have an interesting anecdote. The article is here. It begins with a typically anti-Christian but uniquely honest statement:

    If you really want to hurt your parents, and you don’t have the nerve to be a homosexual, the least you can do is go into the arts.

    So much for "Honor thy father and mother." So much for the idea that homosexuality is not a choice. (I'm sure Vonnegut would say he was just being sarcastic, but the cat's out of the bag.) (It's a weird world when the most popular authors give tips on how to hurt people, especially our elders.)

    Nevertheless, here's the anecdote:

    And now I want to tell you about my late Uncle Alex. He was my father’s kid brother, a childless graduate of Harvard who was an honest life insurance salesman in Indianapolis. He was well-read and wise. And his principal complaint about other human beings was that they so seldom noticed it when they were happy. So when we were drinking lemonade under an apple tree in the summer, say, and talking lazily about this and that, almost buzzing like honeybees, Uncle Alex would suddenly interrupt the agreeable blather to exclaim, “If this isn’t nice, I don’t know what is.”

    This gave me the idea for a "spiritual exercise" -- a way of stretching the mind and building spiritual muscle to be able to handle theological truth with greater ease.

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    Re: If This Isn't Heaven, I Don't Know What Is (Score: 1)
    by SuperSoulFighter on Tuesday, March 23 @ 11:43:40 PST
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    "I believe that a daily effort to be grateful and to believe in the possibility of progress in this life can revolutionize an individual's walk with God, and change the world when a sizeable minority puts these steps into practice."


    I like this statement, and I agree. Simple gratitude for all of the wonderful things God has provided us in the West will do much to undermine and eventually eliminate the greed and covetousness currently fuelling our consumer economy (while at the same time destroying it with increasing corruption on every side).

    This is definitely a good place for modern Christians to start. I think we will develop a greater sense of the peace, tranquillity and contentment characteristic of those who love, serve and worship the true God and Creator of all things when we begin to manifest and maintain perspectives characterized by thankfulness. When you see what Christians have experienced in the past and still maintained thankful hearts for even the smallest blessing - it's both moving and a powerful reminder of what's truly important.

    Thanks for posting this, John!



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    Re: If This Isn't Heaven, I Don't Know What Is (Score: 1)
    by hanoch (truthinliving.org/) on Thursday, March 25 @ 21:13:59 PST
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    A lot of truth stated and I liked this one;

    "My point is that most Christians are "so heavenly-minded they are of no earthly good."

    In principle, a people who forget thier God will recieve punishment. I don't beleive AD70 changed
    how God deals with people, but now the bar or stadard(of how we live) has been raised (by Jesus Christ).Hebrews 10:29

    But I can see if not viewed by the right paradigm,it only adds to confusion.
    (that appearantly is Dispensationalism in a nut shell).

    Mark




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    Re: If This Isn't Heaven, I Don't Know What Is (Score: 1)
    by Praeterbro on Wednesday, May 19 @ 15:02:04 PDT
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    You quote Luke xi.1-2, and have to assume that the "us" and "you" refer to followers today. I'm not being contrary, just accurate. Jesus was talking to His disciples. The prayer was for a "kingdom come." It already came.
    It seems rather audacious to assume that we are the ones to "further" His kingdom, when we have not the tool (Paraclete) to perform this task...and then assuming that it is not yet done.
    The last command given to John (the last recorded command given to any who heard the prophecy of Revelation) was to STOP!

    Call me nuts. That's the way I see it.


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