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Preterism: Noe’s Response to Stevens’ ‘Expectations Demand a Rapture’
Posted on Tuesday, November 11 @ 06:09:56 PST by Virgil |
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John Noe put together a detailed response to Ed Steven's paper "Expectations Demand a Rapture". John carefully analyzes some of the points raised and is concluding Why Neither Expectations Nor Silence Demand a Rapture.
By John Noe, Ph.D.
Prolegomena:
Edward E. Stevens and I agree on many things regarding the Christian faith and the A.D. 70 past fulfillment of end-time Bible prophecy. But we disagree on several things as well. This issue is one of those several things.
Critical Overview:
At best, Edward E. Stevens’ booklet, Evidence Demands a Rapture: What did the pre-70 saints expect? Why don’t we hear about the fulfillment?, is a theory. But it is largely deductive, speculative, and based on an argument from silence. Consequently, it is a weak theory. This is in dramatic contrast to the largely inductive, historically documented, and consequently, strong arguments for the fulfillment of other A.D. 70 events and realities. At worst, the physical-removal-in-A.D.-70 theory(1) compromises Jesus’ prayer for all believers by introducing a time-restriction element that is not in the John 17 passage, nor warranted by other texts. In my opinion, Stevens’ introduction of this element is the linchpin of this A.D. 70 rapture proposition. It renders Jesus’ prayer “for all believers” to a prayer only “for those believers.” This cessationist treatment is highly problematical. It terminates other aspects of that prayer, as well.
John 17:15, 20 is also point #1 of “10 Reasons why being ‘caught-up’ is not a removal of a group of alive believers from the surface of planet Earth” in my book, Shattering the ‘Left Behind’ Delusion (p-15-18). This book was published by the International Preterist Association (2000) with Edward E. Stevens as its publisher. Therefore, I feel compelled to critically respond to Stevens’ latest work.
My second major criticism is that notably absent from this work is any mention or treatment of these six troublesome verses:
Hebrews 9:27 – “Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment.” In this critic’s thinking, Stevens’ raptured group would be a contradiction of or exception to this text.
Isaiah 9:7 – “Of the increase of his government and peace [kingdom] there will be no end.” A removal of all true Christians, even with God’s Word left behind and the Church re-started from scratch, must surely be considered a decrease.
Hebrews 12:27-28 –“The words ‘once more’ indicate the removing of what can be shaken—that is, created things—so that what cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken . . . .” There was to be no removal of any part of the kingdom they were receiving back, then and there. The first “true Christians” (i.e., the early Church) must certainly, at least, be considered a significant part of that kingdom. Revelation 1:7 – “Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him . . . .” Stevens claims that only “true Christians” physically saw him come. But this partial perspective does not fit with the “every eye” and “even those who pierced him” scenario—unless, Stevens wants to advocate two different ways of seeing his coming. Matthew 26:64 – “‘Yes, it is as you say,’ Jesus replied. ‘But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.’” Likewise, how did these unbelievers—Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin—“see” his coming on the clouds?
Additionally, Stevens insistence upon visibility (to true Christians) makes Jesus' coming on the clouds different natured from all previous comings of this type in OT times. It seems to me that this treatment is employing the same type of side-stepping technique (or “bag of apologetic tricks”) as Tommy Ice uses in his treatment of "this generation" in Matt. 24; Luke 21; Mark 13—i.e., it is a different generation than all the other NT uses of this phrase. Both of these treatments are interpretations by exception. They are inconsistency and largely deductive.
In sum, and in my opinion, Stevens’ cessationist treatment of John 17 and his failure to address and re-explain the latter six verses should be sufficient reasons to dismiss this theory, at this time. However, this critique is offered in the spirit of “testing” (1 Thess. 5:21; Acts 17:11) among brothers and sisters in the Lord. May the Lord guide us into wisdom and revelation regarding this matter (Eph. 1:17).
Title Problems:
First, the premise of the title does not necessarily hold true. For example, expectations no more demand a rapture than they demand that the kingdom be restored to Israel (Acts 1:6). Secondly, there is not a shred of evidence that 1st-century Jews or the NT Church were expecting to be removed from planet Earth. Stevens offers no historical or textual evidence to establish this expectation. His “statements of expectation” are only deductive interpretations and fail to establish 1st-century expectation. What was mostly being expected, and wrongly so, was that Roman rule would be removed and/or Israel elevated to a position of supremacy over all nations.
Selected Comments and Critiques – by Page Number:
p-4 – Despite the up-front assertion that “this book is not primarily based on silence,” Silence Demands A Rapture would be a stronger, more appropriate, but more problematic title for the view presented herein. As most know, however, arguments from silence can be used to prove almost anything, yet prove nothing.
p-4 – The statement that “the ‘expectations statements’ do for the rapture view what the ‘time statements’ do for the Preterist view” is comparing apples to oranges and deductive inference to inductive reasoning. Moreover, Stevens fails to prove that the expectations of the early Church were for being removed from planet Earth. Arguing possible grammatical word meanings, such as for harpazo and aer, is not proof of expectations.
p-5 – “the literal rapture view deserves our serious consideration . . . . Thank you for giving it your most objective appraisal.” Hopefully, this is exactly what I have done.
p-6 – In this foreword, Hibbard characterizes those preterists who take a “spiritualizing view,” as opposed to Stevens’ “literal view,” as “throwing out the baby with the bathwater.” He claims that we have “overly-spiritualized . . . the rapture and other eschatological events.” But being caught up in the spirit, while still alive and on earth, is a real and literal reality. After all, spirit is real and literal.
I, too, hope Stevens’ new booklet (and our responses to it) “will serve to strengthen the Preterist movement.”
p-7 – I cannot agree with Melanson’s assessments in his foreword that: “Ed has made a breakthrough of major proportions,” that this work is “the missing piece of the puzzle!”, that “this book is evidence in abundance for a literal rapture of the Church prior to AD 70,” and that “this book presents a convincing case.” In fact, the finality that is presented throughout this booklet and its tone in some places are additional concerns.
Melanson correctly points out that “Jesus taught his followers they would escape the wrath ready to be poured out.” But he falsely equates this with a physical-rapture removal. Their escape was to flee in obedience to our Lord’s instructions.
p-8 – Silence, and not expectations, is what “pushes” this view. Therefore, Silence Demands A Rapture would have been a better title. Yet arguments from silence are highly problematic.
Here, Stevens’ makes his assertion that it was the so-called “specific detailed expectations of the New Testament writers” which were given “to the first century church.” But nowhere is a removal from planet Earth ever mentioned as an expectation in either the NT or in any other literature—another silence.
p-9 – Admittedly, “a lack of documentation . . . for the occurrence of all the big three events at A.D. 70,” is a challenge for the preterist position and perhaps a missing link. On the other hand, to claim that without this literal rapture explanation we are missing not only “a few links” but “the whole preterist chain,” seems far overdrawn. Whether Stevens agrees or not, other explanations, which are also speculations, have been offered.
p-10 – If the parousia was to be physically “seen . . . by the true Christians who were ‘spiritually discerning,’” why was a “sign” asked for and given to Jesus’ original disciples (Matt. 24:3, 30)? This issue was never mentioned or addressed. Also, a physical appearance of Deity would be a different-natured cloud coming from the long historical precedent established in OT times.
Stevens’ assertion that his “rapture view is the only way to settle this matter [the silence after A.D. 70] once for all” is merely substituting a solution from silence for a problem from silence. It is neither documentable or convincing. Moreover, there are many texts to the contrary that are not addressed herein.
p-11 – The scriptures cited in this section on what the pre-AD 70 saints expected do not necessitate or establish a physical rapture-removal expectation for the nature of this fulfillment. Stevens has not made his case here. He merely asserts it.
p-12 – One of my concerns is that this thesis plays right into the hands of futurists who will opt for Stevens’ “second option” of “non-fulfillment” and use this against the preterist view.
p-13 – Stevens has not presented a convincing case that his view is “the most reasonable way to explain the silence.” Perhaps, it is a way and a theory. But there are just too many problematic texts to the contrary that he has not addressed.
For one, if only the “true ‘children of God’ would definitely see Christ at His parousia,” How does this perspective fit with the “every eye” and “even those who pierced him” scenario (Rev. 1:7)?—unless, Stevens wants to advocate two different ways of seeing him. Unfortunately, he does not mention or address this verse anywhere in his booklet.
Jesus’ statement that in Matthew 19:28 that all twelve of his disciples would be seated on thrones with Christ and judging the twelve tribes does not, in itself, necessitate or demand, as Stevens assumes, that all of them be dead or raptured prior to A.D. 70. He even acknowledges that this “implies.” But that is deductive reasoning and weak.
The “real thorny ‘documentation problem’” mentioned here and throughout, works both ways. The physical-removal-in-A.D.-70 view suffers from this same problem.
p-15 – Here Stevens starts using the terminology of “the figurative-rapture view” to lump and label preterists who disagree with his “literal rapture” view. This is an unfortunate terminology. Fact is, a catching up in the spirit realm, without one’s feet leaving the surface of planet earth, is literal, too.
He admits that “the lack of documentation for a [his] rapture is only one-fourth of the whole package.” But this illustrates the point that he is trying to solve a problem of silence with a solution of silence. It’s a weak proposition and just further “begs the question.” Thus, he argues that his view “doesn’t need to provide documentation since it does not expect to find any.” This is a classic argument from silence and/or a circular argument approach.
Somewhat disconcerting is his characterization of figurative-rapturists as utilizing “its bag of apologetic tricks” and his claim that they are “stymied.” Few will agree with this depiction.
p-15-16-17 – He cites the people in heaven from Revelation 6, 7, and 14 as evidence of for his rapture. But there are other possible explanations for this—such as these being the Matthew 27:51-53 group, saints who died pre-A.D. 66-70, or part of the things that “will take place later” (Rev. 1:19).
p-20 – Stevens notes that there are a “few writings” from the A.D. 70-150 period and that “the whole AD 70 Church was unaware of Christ’s return in AD 70.” They were also unaware that the entire Church had supposedly been taken out of the world. This silence speaks volumes, as well. Even Josephus did not mention it. Nor did Eusebius. Nobody back then.
p-21 – Those Christians who fled to Pella and other places are labeled by Stevens as the “sleepers” and “not true Christians.” How he knows this to be true is not clarified. It is pure speculation and assertion, and, therefore, weak.
p-23 – Again, my concern is that the physical-removal-in-A.D.-70 rapture proposition will feed those who opt for the non-fulfillment option mentioned first here.
p-24 – Regarding Stevens’ challenge for “any student of Church History to find . . . mention” of “the second coming, the final resurrection, and the final judgment” in AD 70-300 writings of the church fathers – I challenge him to find any mention of these in the Bible. Where are Christ’s comings ever limited to only two? Even Hebrews 9:28—which is the closest you will get—does not limit. If it does, then Jesus’ subsequent coming to John on the Isle of Patmos is the next chronological coming documented by Scripture itself. Likewise, where are resurrection and judgment ever limited to a “final” one after which there will be no more. These cessationist phrases and concepts are simply non-scriptural. For example, is Hebrews 9:27 no longer applicable?
p-23-28 – At the least, these possible explanations are just as valid as Stevens’ rapture idea. But the fact is, we just do not know why there was such a silence and a void of documentation. It still is a mystery.
p-29 – Stevens contends that “if John the apostle lived beyond AD 70 . . . . [his] ‘reception into heaven’ promise of John 14:3 was not fulfilled.” But this assumes a time-limitation factor that is not in the text. Later, he imposes the same time limitation upon Jesus’ prayer for his disciples and all believers in John 17 (see comments for pp-43-44).
p-30 – Stevens maintains that preterists have “brushed . . . off and ignore” the documentation problem. He insists that “it’s time we dealt with it in a serious and convincing way.” This is not the best choice of language for winning others over to you point of view. I, for one, do not find his rapture explanation convincing.
He correctly recognizes that the “big three events” (return, resurrection, judgment) “occurred in the unseen spiritual realm.” But what he fails to recognize here is that the “catching up” was part of the resurrection.
p-31 – To the contrary, the rapture does not do “a more credible job of explaining how folks after AD 70 could be so silent about the occurrence of the big three events,” as Stevens claims. He simply has not addressed several other key texts mentioned at the start of this critique and has adopted a cessationist treatment of John 17.
p-34 – I must respectfully disagree, Stevens has not proved his case that there is “no other viable option besides a rapture.”
As he says, “the silence points either to non-fulfillment or their absence from the scene via rapture.” This just adds ammunition to those who opt for the former. Again, Silence Demands A Rapture is the theme of this booklet, and not Expectations Demand A Rapture, as its title states.
But I agree with him on this point: “this is a very disturbing idea once it sinks into your consciousness.”
His false coupling of these two statements that “the ‘time’ statements demand an AD 70 parousia, and the ‘expectation statements’ demand a rapture to explain the silence” is unfortunate. It compares apples to oranges and inductive to deductive.
p-35 – The fact that no one apparently noticed that all the Church (true saints) was missing is just as much of a documentation problem for Stevens as the one he is trying to solve. Again, silence “proves” nothing or anything.
Removal of physical bodies of alive believers in A.D. 66-70 or whenever would go against Jesus’ prayer for his disciples and all believers in John 17. On pages 43-44 Stevens inadequately addresses this difficulty. But it also goes against Hebrews 9:27, Isaiah 9:7, and Hebrews 12:27-28, none of which he mentions or addresses.
p-35-38 – Let’s give Hymenaeus and Philetus a little credit. Most likely, the knew about or actually saw the bodies (soma) of many OT saints that came out of their graves and appeared around Jerusalem after Jesus’ resurrection (Matt. 27:51-53). This quite likely could have been the reason for their thinking that the resurrection was past. Paul only corrected the timing aspect. Paul said nothing concerning the nature of fulfillment.
p-38-40 – Stevens is right in that a rapture-removal of the Church would not “destroy” the “continuity or perpetuity” of the kingdom. But it would cause it to decrease in contradiction to Isaiah 9:7. This removal would also be problematic for Hebrews 12:27-28.
His idea of a “new crop of Christians” starting from scratch is also highly problematic for the same reasons. Even Russell, in the “Afterword” of his book The Parousia (that IPA intends to insert), did not have the entire Church removed—only part. Lastly, comparing the making of this “‘rupture’ argument” (made by a fellow preterist) to “walking right into the Romanist ‘successionist’ camp and surrendering without a fight” is uncalled for.
p-40 – I cannot believe that Stevens would write a sentence like this: “But God has never depended on the availability of humans to get His Word preached and taught.” Unless, this assertion is highly clarified, God almost always (expect for a donkey) used the availability of humans to get His Word preached, taught, and written down.
p-41 – See again comments for p-38-40. Also, Stevens’ claim that “the Kingdom is a heavenly Kingdom” misses the point that it is also located and functioning on earth as well.
p-42 – But he adds to this confusion by further claiming that “it is a ‘heavenly Kingdom, not an earthly one.” Again, it is located and functioning in both heaven and on earth.
p-43-44 – In this critic’s opinion, this cessationist treatment of Jesus’ prayer for his disciples and for all believers is the linchpin of this whole rapture theory. While Stevens acknowledges that “This [John 17:15] certainly does sound like Jesus was wanting the apostles to stay in the world for some reason . . .”, he negates this text by introducing a time-restriction element that simply is not there nor in any other text. He insists that there is a “wider context”—i.e., Matt. 19:28 and John 14:3. But there is no time-restriction element in these, either. Yet he asserts that Jesus’ prayer, and particularly the portion mentioning not taking them out of the world, was only until “at that time” when He returned. If this is true (and it is not), then the rest of Jesus’ prayer for all believers was likewise time-restricted and does not apply, post A.D. 70. That, too, is highly problematic. Fact is, this time element is not in the text nor in a wider context. It has been imported in a manner reminiscent of futurist devices employed to explain away other A.D. 70 time statements and fulfillment contexts.
p-45 – Grammatical definitions and usage of certain words in lexicons and commentaries do not establish what 1st-century expectations actually were.
p-46-49 – Stevens asserts that “not all of the folks alive then would die before the parousia . . . . [but] would be ‘snatched away in clouds’ . . . . without dying . . . . without experiencing physical death.” Then, what does one do with the verse and expectation created by Hebrews 9:27 (“Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment”)? Stevens does not say.
p-50 – Stevens maintains that “context itself is the final arbiter in every usage” and not necessarily the definition from a lexicon. Unfortunately, this is the same argument used by Thomas Ice to change the meaning of “this generation” in Matthew 24 from all its other uses in the NT.(2)
p-52 – Stevens limits the “caught up” experience to only those alive in A.D. 66-70. He writes that “those who died after AD 70 were not ‘caught up’ at death into the air for a meeting with Christ.” I agree they are not “caught up” in the manner described by Stevens. But I disagree with his manner. See Shattering the ‘Left Behind’ Delusion (Bradford, PA.: International Preterist Association, 2000), pp-101-111; 115-118 for a different understanding of the ongoing nature of this established spiritual resurrection reality.
p-55 – Stevens uses the example of Josephus’ documentation of angels appearing in the sky. He admits that “it is [only] assumed that the commander of hosts, Jesus, was with them” and implies that this “visible appearance of the angelic armies (accompanying Jesus) at that time” means Jesus was visible, as well. But Josephus and many others who supposedly saw this were not “true believers.” How does that fit with his theory? He does not say.
p-57 – Stevens claims that “Christ descends from heaven into the air where the clouds are.” In a few moments I will refute this location. But then he says that this “aer” is the atmosphere around us . . . . the spiritual realm.” This location I will affirm.
p-57-58 – He puts down those who teach a catching up in a “metaphysical sense,” or a “‘spiritual gathering into the Kingdom’ idea,” or in “a metaphorical . . . idea.” In contrast, he offers that “Paul is indeed predicting a real snatching away.” This implies that the other idea is not real. Such could not be further from the truth. Again, he claims that Paul’s “catching up” is not something that post-A.D.-70 saints can experience. I disagree (see reference under p-52, again).
p-59 – Stevens fails to mention the most important “cloud” of all the clouds mentioned in Scripture. That is, the “great cloud of witness” that they/we are surrounded by (Heb. 12;1). And just look who is in that cloud—see Hebrews 12:22-24.
p-60-63 – Several charges are leveled here, anonymously but principally, at yours truly and what I wrote in my Shattering the ‘Left Behind’ Delusion book regarding the meaning of the Greek word aer and the location of Paul’s catching up (1 Thess. 4:17). Here is a list of some of those charges which I will now re-address:
“Strong’s does not assign the meaning of the related world ‘aemi’ to the word ‘aer.’ It merely says that ‘aer’ came from a word (aemi) which had a different (but related) meaning.”
“Very few of the lexical authorities even listed this related word ‘aemi’ or gave its definition.”
“There is no lexical basis whatsoever for the suggestion by some that the definition of the related word “aemi” is the meaning we should assign to the word “aer.”
“Aer” means the “air” in the atmosphere or sky above, not the air in our lungs or a euphemism for ‘spiritually inside us.’ All the other lexicons agree. Anyone asserting otherwise is going up against all the lexical authorities in the world.”
“ . . . have erroneously taken Strong’s definition for ‘aemi’ and applied it to ‘aer’ . . . . they have not provided any other lexical support beyond Strong’s.”
“In view of the usage of the word ‘aer’ in the above passages, how could anyone make a statement such as the following: ‘The word ‘aer’ is never used in the sense of the sky above, where the clouds are and the birds fly.’”
“The standard lexical authorities we quoted above confirm this ‘atmosphere above the earth’ meaning of ‘air.’”
“And the passages which use the word ‘aer’ define it just like the Greek lexicons do.”
“The lexicons do not restrict the meaning of ‘aer’ to just twelve feet above ground.”
“[This] contrary view . . . requires setting aside the standard lexical definitions and all seven of its New Testament uses.”
“The absurdity of this definition of “aer” becomes easily apparent when we plug it back into the context and see its implications.”
Countering these charges:
William Barclay’s comments readily apply here: “On the meaning of words everything depends. No one can build up a theology without a clear definition of the terms which are to be used in it.”(3)
First, Stevens admits that “the actual connotative meaning of a Greek word cannot be obtained merely from its lexical definition, but is best derived from its general usage throughout the New Testament.” He also states that “it is a common error of first year Greek students to assume that the root definition must be applied in every usage.” He further cites “context” and not “lexicons” as “the final determining factor.” (p-50)
Klein, Blomberg, and Hubbard recommend that “students should feel free to question the lexicons. That is, students will not always agree with the category of meaning in which the ‘experts’ have located a specific text. Because of the complexity of word meanings, the interpreter should seek to discover all the information about a word that may help in determining its meaning in a specific passage.”(4)
Barber agrees that “lexicons are indispensable reference tools” but clarifies that “sooner or later, however, some expertise in biblical languages becomes a necessity.”(5) He actually warns that “even the finest of lexicons may be misleading.” Hence, “a new generation of Bible students [must] be able to modify and advance the work of those who have preceded them.”(6)
Secondly, Stevens admits that “in the air” is “that realm . . . all around us” and “the spiritual realm is all around us.” (p-56) To this I agree. Yet this “air” is not “the air where the clouds are,” as he later claims (p-57). There is a clear distinction in the Greek, too, which brings me to my next point.
Thirdly, in the New Testament two words are translated as “air”—aer and ouranos. But Stevens never mentions this other word. And while it is true that both can be consider as air between earth and heaven, there is a significant difference.
Louw and Nida in their section titled “Regions Above the Earth” contrast the meaning of these two Greek words thusly: Ouranos as “the vault arching high over the earth from one horizon to another, as well as the sun, moon, and stars – sky.”(7) Aer as “the space immediately above the earth’s surface, and not including the dome arching over the earth – air . . . ‘for you will be talking into the air 1 Cor. 14:9.”(8)
Robinson agrees that aer is “the lower vapoury atmostphere” as “opp. (opposed to) the higher purer region.”(9) Abbot-Smith draws the same contrast for aer as “the lower air which surrounds the earth, as opp. To the purer . . . of the higher regions.”(10) Thayer’s makes the same distinction.(11)
Friberg and Friberg concur with this distinction that aer is “the space immediately above the earth”(12) and ouranos is “(1) as the atmosphere directly above the earth, sky, air firmament (MT 6:26; LU 17:24); (2) as the starry heaven firmament, sky (MT 24:29a).”(13) Arndt, Gingrich, and Danker cited “the atmosphere immediately about the earth’s surface” as their first meaning and “the space above the earth, sky, space, air” as their second and broader meaning of aer. (14)
Fourthly, the question next becomes, how low is lower? This is where etymology becomes most helpful. Etymology is “the study of the original form and meaning of words.”(15) Robinson insists “on the importance of the student’s seeing the original form and import of each word and suffix or prefix.” He admits that “this is not all that is needed by any means, but it is a beginning, and the right beginning.”(16) In his section on “roots” he says that “they represent the original stock from which other words as a rule come.” He estimates that “of the 90,000 words in a Greek lexicon only 40,000 are what are termed classic words” and that “the new words . . . are usually made from one of the old roots by various combinations, or . . . after the analogy of the old words.”(17) Curtius views “this [etymological] process” as “the oldest method of word-formation.” (18)
Barber emphasizes that “the study of Greek terms must also be in accordance with the root of the word.” Yet he cautions the student that “some Greek terms have an obscure origin, and the root may be hard to trace.”(19)
Fortunately, the etymology of the Greek word aer is not that difficult to trace. In addition to Strong’s recognition of the derivative relationship of aer with its root verb aemi – meaning “to breathe unconsciously, i.e. respire; by analogy to blow); ‘air’ (as naturally circumambient): – air,” Liddell and Scott indicate aemi is etymological related to ao, which means “blow.”(20) Pickering relates aer as derived from ao.(21) Thus, we have a continuous flow of meaning that brings us full circle. Hence, Liddell and Scott in their meanings for aemi give “breathe hard” and “blow.” For their meanings of aer, they cite the “lower air” and compare it with a “mist, haze.” This is in opposition to aither, which is “the pure upper air.” They also mention “exhalations.”(22) Hence, aer is the air that is close by and we breathe.
Likewise, Greenlee’s lexicon ties aer back to aemi,(23) as does the The Word Study Concordance with aemi meaning “to breathe.”(24)
Lastly, and in light of the above lexical and etymological insights, let’s review all seven of the uses of aer in the New Testament with an interest in identifying the location of this “lower air:”
| Verse | Location of air |
Acts 22:23 – tossing dust into the air | Immediate proximity |
1 Cor. 9:26 – I box in such a way, as not beating the air | Immediate proximity |
1 Cor. 14:9 – speaking into the air | Inside a person and
immediate proximity |
Eph. 2:2 – prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is Inside a person and now working in the sons of disobedience | immediate proximity |
1 Thess. 4:17 – to meet the Lord in the air | ? |
Rev. 9:2 – the sun and the air were darkened | Inconclusive |
Rev. 16:17 – poured out his bowl upon the air | Inconclusive |
Four of the other six usages under consideration certainly signify a location within the immediate proximity and/or inside a person. The latter two usages are most likely symbolic and inconclusive as to location.
In sum, I must conclude that a legitimate lexical, etymological, and usage case can be made for the location of aer as being within a person and in the immediate proximity. For other reasons that I have previously outlined in my Shattering book, I believe Paul’s use of this aer in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is synonymous with the spirit and the spirit realm. Surely, it is not the air in the sense of the sky above, where the clouds are and the birds fly. That air is clearly distinguished in the Greek as the ouranos air.
Furthermore and at my request, Dr. Ronald J. Allen, a Greek scholar and Associate Professor at Christian Theological Seminary in Indianapolis, Indiana, has reviewed all the arguments and correspondence between myself and Mr. Stevens on the possible meaning of this word aer. He writes:
“Noē has established a plausible, though not provable, interpretation of the
connection between aer with aemi. While it may be true that a derivative
may not always directly echo its root in meaning, it is nonetheless true
that derivatives can do so. Conversely, there is no reason to assume that a derivative and a root are disconnected. In addition, it must be acknowledged
that people who write lexicons are driven by theological viewpoints. They
may not be prepared to find Noē’s meaning. But Noē has established a high degree of possibility and that is all a scholar can do.”
Likewise, Paul’s “catching up” was an eschatological event and a real, literal, and spiritual experience for alive believers back, then and there. It did not necessitate their feet leaving the ground or their being removed from planet Earth. I further believe that this catching up has been an ongoing and available reality ever since. But unfortunately few Christians are aware of it or seek it out.(25)
In this regard, Ladd has noted that the meaning of “the expression ‘in Christ’. . . has been vigorously debated.” He states that some have emphasized “its ‘mystical’ dimension.” He contends that “it is analogous to the air. As we are in the air and the air is in us, so we are in Christ and Christ is in us.”(26) Of course, this dualism of Christ in you and you in Christ is presented by Jesus in John 15:1-7. Many have assumed that both of these phrases are speaking singularly of salvation. Certainly, Christ in you is part of the salvation experience and an ongoing reality. But the you-in-Christ portion may be something else—i.e., part of the catching up experience (see 1 John 2:5-6; 3:6, 24; John 14:12). Further discussion on this matter, however, is beyond the scope of this work and my response.
p-65 – Stevens states that he takes a “mid-trib, pre-wrath, postmillennial, and Preterist” position. But how does “mid-trib” and “pre-wrath” tie in with Jesus’ statement that “Immediately after the distress of those days” will be the coming (parousia) of the Lord and the gathering (Matt. 24:29-31)? Likewise, if the parousia is 3 ½ years in duration, is the “last day” (singular) of the “last days” (plural), during which the rest of the dead were to be raise (John 6:39, 40, 44, 54; 11:24), also 3 ½ years long?
p-66 – Using Elijah’s, Elisha’s, Paul’s, and John’s experiences of seeing into the spirit realm, heaven, and Jesus, respectively, does not justify a physically visible appearance of Christ in a cloud-coming, day of the Lord motif in A.D. 66-70. They are different things. And Deity was never physically visible during any previously coming of this type—even to “true believers.”
p-67 – Stevens asks, “Why is the rapture idea so difficult to swallow?” Hopefully, this response will give him some more answers.
The “anti-miraculous bias” that he mentions will also work against what I have outlined above regarding the nature of the “catching up” with the Lord in the air (aer).
p-68 – With this one statement I heartily agree: “Christianity stripped of all its miracles and supernatural events is not Christianity at all.” I would add that this is just as true for those who strip post-A.D.-70 Christianity of these same elements and make it into a different-natured reality from what we see conferred (Luke 22:29; Rev. 2:26-27) and modeled in the NT (John 14:12; 1 Cor. 11:1; 1 Thess. 1:4-8; 1 John 2:5-6). But this discussion is beyond the scope of this booklet and my response.
p-69 – I cannot fully agree with this statement: “Are we to expect any more of those theophanies (comings or visitations) during the rest of eternity after AD 70? Since that kind of supernatural intervention ceased in A.D. 70, we have grown accustomed to no more supernatural events occurring.” Problem is, Stevens offers no scripture(s) to support this cessationist assertion, and for good reason. There are none. This discussion is also beyond the scope of this booklet and my response.
p-70-71 – For all the reasons offered above, I cannot agree with Hibbard’s and Melanson’s opinion. I do not believe Stevens has made a convincing case. Neither expectations nor silence demand a rapture.
FOOTNOTES:
1. Stevens prefers the term “literal rapture” to designate this position from “figurative rapture” or “spiritual rapture” stances. The problem with using that phraseology is all three of these positions are advocating real, literal realities. After all, spirit is literal and spiritual things are literal, too, are they not?
2. Thomas Ice and Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr., The Great Tribulation: Past or Future? (Grand Rapids, MI.: Kregel, 1999), 123-125; 181-182.
3. William Barclay, More New Testament Words (New York, NY.: Harper, 1958), 9.
4. William W. Klein, Craig L. Blomberg, and Robert L. Hubbard, Jr., Introduction to Biblical Interpretation (Dallas, TX.: Word, 1993), 199.
5. Cyril J. Barber, Introduction to Theological Research (Newburgh, IN.: Trinity Press, 1982), 101.
6. Ibid., 114.
7. Johannes P. Louw and Eugene A. Nida, eds., Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament based on Sematic Domains, Vol. 1, (New York, NY.: United Bible Societies, 1988), 1.5, 2.
8. Ibid., 3.
9. Edward Robinson, Greek and English Lexicon (New York, NY.: Harper, 1855), 15.
10. G. Abbott-Smith, A Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament (Edinburgh: T & T Clark, 1921), 11.
11. Joseph Henry Thayer, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (New York, NY.: Harper, 1898), 13, 464.
12. Timothy Friberg and Barbara Friberg, Analytical Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI.: Baker Books, 2000), 36.
13. Ibid., 288.
14. W.F. Arndt, F.W. Gingrich, and F.W. Danker, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and other Early Christian Literature, 3rd ed. (Chicago, IL.: University of Chicago Press, 2000), 23.
15. A.T. Robinson, A Grammar of the Greek New Testament in the Light of Historical Research (New York, NY.: Hodder & Stoughton, 1919), 143.
16. ibid.
17. Ibid., 144.
18. Georg Curtius, translated by Augustus S. Wilkins and Edwin B. England, Principles of Greek Etymology, Vol. 1, 5th ed., (London: John Murray, 1886), 24.
19. Barber, Introduction to Theological Research, 113.
20. Henry George Liddell and Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1968), 299.
21. John Pickering, A Comprehensive Lexicon of the Greek Language (Boston, MA.: Wilkins, Carter, and Co., 1848), 21.
22. Liddell and Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon, 30, 37.
23. J. Harold Greenlee, A New Testament Greek Morpheme Lexicon (Grand Rapids, MI.: Zondervan, 1983), 4.
24. George V. Wigram and Ralph D. Winter, The Word Study Concordance (Wheaton, IL.: Tyndale, 1978), 15.
25. For more on this see: John Noe, Shattering the ‘Left Behind’ Delusion (Bradford, PA.: International Preterist Association, 2000), 23-25, 32, 102-105, 110, 117-118.
26. George Eldon Ladd, A Theology of the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI.: Eerdmans, 1974), 523.
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Re: Noe’s Response to Stevens’ ‘Expectations Demand a Rapture’ (Score: 1)
by preteristdave (preteristdave@aol.com) on Tuesday, November 11 @ 09:12:49 PST (User Info | Send a Message) | I recently replied to a comment Davo listed on my last article about the rapture and I would also like to list it here.
I wrote: "Davo, thank you for your response. You have listed some good arguments and I plan on responding to them the best I can in an article which will also include my response to John Noe's article which Virgil recently posted. I plan on posting this article a little over a week from now. I'm a student of the Word just like you and I definitely don't have all the answers. I regret using such strong language with this article "is necessary", "any other possible view", etc. I would definitely accept the common preterist view of this text before going back to dispensationalism or partial preterism because I believe that only the full preterist view of the scriptures is biblical. Preterists need to study for ourselves and learn from one another to what effects the full preterist view has on the rest of the scriptures."
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Re: Noe’s Response to Stevens’ ‘Expectations Demand a Rapture’ (Score: 1)
by JL on Tuesday, November 11 @ 10:37:54 PST (User Info | Send a Message) | | Thank-you John |
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Re: Noe’s critique of my book (Score: 1)
by EdStevens on Tuesday, November 11 @ 20:30:24 PST (User Info | Send a Message) | I want to thank John for taking the time to read my book and give his evaluation of it. Much appreciated. Since I have responded to all of these objections (at least in principle) in the latest edition of my book, I would highly recommend that everyone here obtain a copy of that book and read it carefully. The title is, "EXPECTATIONS DEMAND A FIRST CENTURY RAPTURE," available from the IPA website (www.preterist.org).
For all those who are interested in hearing both sides and testing the evidence fairly with Scripture, this book is probably the clearest and most comprehensive defense of a literal rapture available today. It has a whole section dealing with objections, as well as exegesis of the salient texts, plus an explanation of the historical problem involved. People owe it to themselves to hear both sides and "search the Scriptures" to see what they really teach about this subject. I was once on the other side of the fence. It took a lot of Biblical and historical evidence to convince me. I didn't take this view lightly. It was the Biblical evidence (the EXPECTATION statements) which forced me to take a serious look at it. I know how crazy the literal rapture view sounds. It wasn't easy for me to accept it, but Scripture left me no choice. And once I took the literal rapture view, it opened up whole new levels of understanding for many end-time texts that had remained somewhat cloudy for all 23 years of my preterist career.
You may ask what are these "expectation" statements which convinced me? You will need to get my book where I give a long list of them.
Ask yourself these questions: What did Christ promise to do for His disciples at His return? What did the pre-70 saints expect to see, hear, and experience at the Parousia? Did they see, hear, and experience those things? Why are they so quiet about it afterwards?
My book has a whole list of all the major "expectation" statements. What the "TIME" statements do for the preterist view, these "EXPECTATION" statements do for the rapture view.
Our beliefs need to be conditioned by the actual promises and EXPECTATIONS of Scripture, not by the anti-miraculous bias and skeptical preconditioning of our modern age. We need to seriously consider the possibility that some of us may have over-reacted against the futurist overly-literalized concept of a rapture and gone to the opposite (and equally fallacious) extreme of overly-spiritualizing the "snatching away" (1 Thes. 4:17) to the point of non-occurrence. We owe it to ourselves to read both sides, and Ed Stevens' book is probably the best defense of the literal first century rapture view in print today.
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Re: Noe’s critique of my book (Score: 1)
by EdStevens on Tuesday, November 11 @ 20:31:57 PST (User Info | Send a Message) | I want to thank John for taking the time to read my book and give his evaluation of it. Much appreciated. Since I have responded to all of these objections (at least in principle) in the latest edition of my book, I would highly recommend that everyone here obtain a copy of that book and read it carefully. The title is, "EXPECTATIONS DEMAND A FIRST CENTURY RAPTURE," available from the IPA website (www.preterist.org).
For all those who are interested in hearing both sides and testing the evidence fairly with Scripture, this book is probably the clearest and most comprehensive defense of a literal rapture available today. It has a whole section dealing with objections, as well as exegesis of the salient texts, plus an explanation of the historical problem involved. People owe it to themselves to hear both sides and "search the Scriptures" to see what they really teach about this subject. I was once on the other side of the fence. It took a lot of Biblical and historical evidence to convince me. I didn't take this view lightly. It was the Biblical evidence (the EXPECTATION statements) which forced me to take a serious look at it. I know how crazy the literal rapture view sounds. It wasn't easy for me to accept it, but Scripture left me no choice. And once I took the literal rapture view, it opened up whole new levels of understanding for many end-time texts that had remained somewhat cloudy for all 23 years of my preterist career.
You may ask what are these "expectation" statements which convinced me? You will need to get my book where I give a long list of them.
Ask yourself these questions: What did Christ promise to do for His disciples at His return? What did the pre-70 saints expect to see, hear, and experience at the Parousia? Did they see, hear, and experience those things? Why are they so quiet about it afterwards?
My book has a whole list of all the major "expectation" statements. What the "TIME" statements do for the preterist view, these "EXPECTATION" statements do for the rapture view.
Our beliefs need to be conditioned by the actual promises and EXPECTATIONS of Scripture, not by the anti-miraculous bias and skeptical preconditioning of our modern age. We need to seriously consider the possibility that some of us may have over-reacted against the futurist overly-literalized concept of a rapture and gone to the opposite (and equally fallacious) extreme of overly-spiritualizing the "snatching away" (1 Thes. 4:17) to the point of non-occurrence. We owe it to ourselves to read both sides, and Ed Stevens' book is probably the best defense of the literal first century rapture view in print today.
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Re: Noe’s Response to Stevens’ ‘Expectations Demand a Rapture’ (Score: 1)
by JRP on Wednesday, November 12 @ 03:57:54 PST (User Info | Send a Message) | Here's a question for those who believe in a physical rapture.
Supposedly, the Apostle John lived well past 70 AD. Why would he have been left behind after the rapture?
Jim |
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About John (Score: 1)
by Biga on Wednesday, November 12 @ 04:22:45 PST (User Info | Send a Message) | Hello Jim!
Imho the story of John is a very cloudy picture both in preterism and futurism. Ed had right that too big is the silence about John and another important persons mentioned in the Bible. If he really lived past AD 70 and some church fathers mentioned it (or ever met him) I can't imagine that he told nothing about Parusia. This is a really interesting silence. |
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