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Musings and Questions on Prayer and Covenant Eschatology

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By EWMI - Posted on 26 April 2007

by Albert Persohn
The subject of prayer has not been frequently addressed in Preterist circles. I only recall a couple of articles on the subject since the inception of this website. Why not bring this most important of topics to the fore? Dispensationalists view prayer as convincing God and binding the devil. Most Religious Futurists have a similar approach. How do Preterists pray?The subject of prayer has not been frequently addressed in Preterist circles. I only recall a couple of articles on the subject since the inception of this website. Why not bring this most important of topics to the fore? Dispensationalists view prayer as convincing God and binding the devil. Most Religious Futurists have a similar approach. How do Preterists pray?Do we actually believe that God answers prayer? If He does is there a right way to pray? Is there a wrong way to pray? Do we still pray when we are in trouble or do we only pray when we are in trouble? Is our prayer still directed Heavenward? Do we pray to God as God, Father or Friend? Do we need to use Jesus' Name in our prayers? What is the role of the Holy Spirit in the prayers of Preterists? Do we pray to the Father or the Son or to the Holy Spirit?

Let's use the Lord's Prayer as the template for our analysis:

Our Father who Art in Heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name

Do we still begin our prayers with adoration and worship? Are there Preterists who do not feel the need to offer worship as part of regular prayer? Are there Preterists who use traditional, prayerbook style prayers in church or at home?

Thy Kingdom Come

That is a bit easier, but drives us toward another question. Do Preterists pray for God to advance the knowledge of His Kingdom into the hearts of those still ignorant? Do we feel that the Kingdom does not require our prayer?

Thy Will Be Done

How do we understand the Will of God today? How many think that God is not involved in the world and how many think that He is intimately involved?

Give Us This Day Our Daily Bread

Do Preterists still trust God to supply their material need? Do those Preterists who assume God is not involved in humanity still feel the need to pray for daily bread?

Forgive Us Our Sins

What is our attitude to individual sin? Do we still use 1 John 1:9 and confess our sins as we commit them? Do we understand that sin today still affects our relationship with God? Do we loath sin or have we come to accept it? What impact does fulfilled eschatology have on our relationship with sin?

As We Forgive Those Who Sin Against Us

What is our attitude to those who sin against us? Do we still pray for those who hurt us?

Deliver Us From Evil

Do we still pray to be delivered from evil? If so what form does evil take? Some among us view Satan as dead and others as see him as utterly powerless. Some see him as alive and well. Is there evil that we need to be protected from? Is there evil that is deeper and more far reaching than human wickedness?

For Thine Is The Kingdom, The Power And The Glory Forever

Do we make this type of confession in our prayers? Do we view this as a statement of final submission to God or do we see this statement as redundant given the time we now live in?

What do you think?

Mick's picture

Thanks for bringing up the subject.
Do we actually believe that God answers prayer?
Yes

Is there a wrong way to pray?
Yes, if we do not show love to God or our neighbor.

Is our prayer still directed Heavenward?
No. We live in the presence of God, but we step before His throne and submit our requests.

Do we need to use Jesus' Name in our prayers?
Yes. Jesus has brought us into the presence of God. I believe we honor Jesus when we speak in His name and by His authority.

Do we pray to the Father or the Son or to the Holy Spirit.
Father

Do we still begin our prayers with adoration and worship?
Yes. God is The Lord

Do Preterists pray for God to advance the knowledge of His Kingdom into the hearts of those still ignorant?
yes.

How do we understand the Will of God today? How many think that God is not involved in the world and how many think that He is intimately involved?
God continues to be actively involved in the events of human history by ways we understand and ways we do not understand.

Do Preterists still trust God to supply their material need?
Yes

Do we understand that sin today still affects our relationship with God?
yes

Do we understand that sin today still affects our relationship with God?
yes. It affects our ability to live and fully honor God in all we do and are.

What is our attitude to those who sin against us? Do we still pray for those who hurt us?
Yes. This is unchanged by eschatology.

Do we still pray to be delivered from evil? If so what form does evil take? Some among us view Satan as dead and others as see him as utterly powerless. Some see him as alive and well. Is there evil that we need to be protected from?
This one is tough. "The Evil One" has been defeated. Evil still exists in our world, God has equipped us with the tools to resist and defeat evil in our lives if we choose use them.

Is there evil that is deeper and more far reaching than human wickedness?
no

Do we view this as a statement of final submission to God?
yes

Do we see this statement as redundant given the time we now live in?
no

Mickey E. Denen

Believability's picture

For some reason the word "prayer" takes on a significance apart from what it is intended to convey simply. Adam & Eve in the garden experienced regular times of fellowship with God including "conversation" with Him. We often treat prayer as a monologue instead of a dialog--intimate fellowship between us and God. Of course, God speaks to us in and through His written Word and quietly beyond in a "still small voice" that ministers to us as we walk about in our everyday lives.

Praise and adoration for the Lord are everlasting elements and expressions of our gratitude and thanksgiving unto Him.

We now thank God for the arrival of His triumphant Kingdom and the restoration of dominion as our rightful inheritance as believers. We praise Him in having accomplished His will through the fulfillment of redemptive history and for the manifestation of His will in our lives as we walk beside Him each day.

The abundance of God's provision, our daily bread, health, healing prosperity and grace are always on our lips as we offer adoration to Him.

Forgiveness is at the heart of eschatology--our own and that of others with whom we have contact. Ours is a freedom and deliverance from the power of sin and death--that we are no longer held captive under its dominion.

Our 'sin-consciousness' gives way to 'victory-consciousness' as we ever draw closer to Jesus and embrace the power of the resurrection-life that is our present possession. We thank God for the forgiveness we have as a present reality and praise Him for the manifestation of victory in our lives. When we slip or stumble, we understand the provision of forgiveness and the power of the blood to cleanse us and we repent and experience His grace.

Deliverance from "the evil one" is not such a difficult concept when one realizes that what the world experiences today is merely the residual effects of satanic rebellion. The influence of Satan is bound up within the very genetic code of humanity and only the power of God is able to loose us from thousands of years of "bad blood" and "addictive" genetics. On the smallest level God can release people from the effects of their fallen "physical" nature and move us in the direction of health and healing (spiritually and otherwise).

The effects of prayer and benefits are better understood within the context of our identity as "children" or "sons" of God, "partakers of the divine nature" "delivered from the power of darkness and transferred into the Kingdom of the Son of His love." As we begin to understand who we are, our prayer life takes on a whole new approach. We genuinely approach God as our Father. Our attitude is slowly transformed from servanthood to sonship. In the story of the prodigal son the most significant observation is that the father had "sons" who acted like "servants" (not realizing the element of relationship with their father). The father of the parable had a house full of "servants." He was not looking for "servants" he was looking for "sons" and both of his children wasted the benefits of their inheritance.

The prayer life of preterists should be richest of all because we know we now live in His presence and are not waiting for something else in the future. May God reveal Himself to us in new ways each day!

Larry Siegle
Walnut Creek, CA

www.kingdomvictory.com

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