You are hereBlogs / plymouthrock's blog / Love

Love

  • strict warning: Non-static method view::load() should not be called statically in /home/vaduva/planetpreterist.com/sites/all/modules/views/views.module on line 842.
  • strict warning: Declaration of views_handler_argument::init() should be compatible with views_handler::init(&$view, $options) in /home/vaduva/planetpreterist.com/sites/all/modules/views/handlers/views_handler_argument.inc on line 745.
  • strict warning: Declaration of views_handler_filter::options_validate() should be compatible with views_handler::options_validate($form, &$form_state) in /home/vaduva/planetpreterist.com/sites/all/modules/views/handlers/views_handler_filter.inc on line 589.
  • strict warning: Declaration of views_handler_filter::options_submit() should be compatible with views_handler::options_submit($form, &$form_state) in /home/vaduva/planetpreterist.com/sites/all/modules/views/handlers/views_handler_filter.inc on line 589.
  • strict warning: Declaration of views_handler_filter_boolean_operator::value_validate() should be compatible with views_handler_filter::value_validate($form, &$form_state) in /home/vaduva/planetpreterist.com/sites/all/modules/views/handlers/views_handler_filter_boolean_operator.inc on line 149.

By plymouthrock - Posted on 26 June 2011

Shall we not put an end to the bickering?!

"For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe." 1 Tim 4:10

"For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid..." Rom 3:3

The impact of these two scriptures are obvious. God, through his faithfulness, will save ALL MEN (preterist, futurist or otherwise).

Of Scriptures of this type, there are many more. What say ye?

Ed's picture

Romans 11:32 says "for God has consigned ALL to disobedience that he may have mercy on ALL." (ESV). The context is clear...ALL who were disobedient (i.e., all humanity) will receive mercy.

good stuff,

ed

ed

Papa is especially fond of us

plymouthrock's picture

This is a great resource to find similar Scripture verses

http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/davbaug1.html

My favorite,

For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost (whoever that might be!). Luke 19:10

plymouthrock!

Ed's picture

but in the gospels we are told that Jesus was sent to the "lost" house of Israel. We are also then told that he came to see and to save that which was "lost." Jesus accomplished his feat through the two resurrections - the first being upon belief when accompanied by baptism (Rom 6:4 - We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.); and the second, after the thousand years (at AD70) when "the rest of the dead" (Israel, dead in her trespasses and sins) was raised (cf. Ez 37 - the Valley of Dry Bones).

With Israel's redemption complete, the whole world was reconciled to the Father.

ed

Papa is especially fond of us

plymouthrock's picture

Now Ed, you know I have no gripe regarding the technical matters! :)

"Ye are gods and all of you children of the Most High!"

plymouthrock!

Ed's picture

and I wasn't posting it for your benefit. :) There are others out there who still think that I am going to hell because I don't believe in hell...what a bunch of maroons!!!!

ed

Papa is especially fond of us

plymouthrock's picture

Tell them to go to hell! lol

plymouthrock!

plymouthrock's picture

Unsure of what you are saying here.

plymouthrock!

Ribs's picture

God is inclusionary, men are not!

How could our creator cover over the bodies of Adam and Eve and
allow the rest of us to suffer banishment from his presencewhen
'we' did not 'start' the problem? Have you noticed that Romans 5
does not allow God to count up sins from Adam to Moses? Yet take a
look at the sins committed from Adam to Moses. Remain blind no
longer!

ewstand@gmail.com

E. W. Stand

plymouthrock's picture

Unsure of what you are saying here.

plymouthrock!

Ribs's picture

Reply:

Did God cover Adam and Eve?
Were sins counted up according to Romans Chapter 5?
What sins can be counted between Adam and Moses?
Romans 5 says that God did not count up those sins.

Grace superabounds out in front of all sins if
you understand Romans 5.

What are your questions?

ewstand@gmail.com

E. W. Stand

JL's picture

Ribs,

Romans 5 says, "Death reigned from Adam until Moses."

1) Isn't death an imputation of sin? Doesn't that imply Adam had "the law?"

2) Did death stop reigning at Moses? I think not. Then what changed? Nothing really.

3) How could Moses have the law in Ex. 18 before it was given in Ex. 21? How did Joshua understand the Levirite marriage laws? How did Noah no which animals were clean and which were unclean? How did Cain and Abel know how to make a proper sacrifice? Doesn't this imply that God's people had "the law" long before Sinai? Cain and Abel puts us all the way back to, guess who, Adam.

4) Moses, in this context, meant nothing to anyone except Israelites/Jews. The text doesn't even/can't apply to us.

I suspect Romans 5 is mistranslated.

Blessings.

Blessings,

JL Vaughn
Beyond Creation Science

plymouthrock's picture

We are most certainly in agreement then. Grace does superabound - "grace doth much more abound."

"For who of you, willing to build a tower, doth not first, having sat down, count the expense, whether he have the things for completing? lest that he having laid a foundation, and not being able to finish, all who are beholding may begin to mock him,
saying -- This man began to build, and was not able to finish." Luke 14:27

Those who say that God does not save all men accuse Him of incompetence. God realizes all His plans. And, "He is not willing that any should perish" and this "word that goeth out of [His] mouth, It turneth not back unto [Him] empty, But hath done that which [He] desired, And prosperously effected that [for] which [He] sent it."

We cannot be perfect until we see all men perfectly, as God sees them - unblemished. While we see imperfection in others, we only identify that the imperfection exists within ourselves. Thus, seeing others as imperfect (unsaved), we only condemn ourselves - the very selves we seek to protect, "for with what judgment we judge we shall be judged." This is some of what Paul meant by seeing "through a glass darkly" and Jesus by the "beam in your own eye."

By seeing others as unsaved, we only confess that we ourselves are not yet saved. Deeming others unsaved while claiming our own salvation is rooted in self-righteousness and self-deceit.

plymouthrock!

Virgil's picture

Well, I am not going to argue with this either... :) Well said!

plymouthrock's picture

Thanks Virgil. I've just grown tired of the games and wanted to issue a challenge of sorts and make a bold statement.

The Scriptures are clear, we should be too.

plymouthrock!

plymouthrock's picture

Davo,

I've never seen it more clearly.

I am an attorney and I know clarity
when i see it; these Scriptures and
what they represent constitute conclusive
proof.

We're playing games with ourselves with
any other view.

plymouthrock!

davo's picture

Yes indeed PR... and the trouble is the games we’ve played within religianity have had disastrous affects ever since in propagating the likes of condemnation and guilt – the very things Christ’s cross removed; nothing like ‘men’ getting in God’s way to rebuild what He has destroyed, and then all that supposedly “in His name”. An affront to God’s grace IMO.

davo's picture

You've got no arguments from me one this one, been saying this for years... trouble is, people love their bickering more than the plain Word.

davo

Recent comments

Poll

Should we allow Anonymous users to comment on Planet Preterist articles?
Yes absolutely
24%
No only registered users should comment
76%
What are you talking about?
0%
Total votes: 42