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By donaldjamesperry - Posted on 27 January 2014

A review of The Greater Jesus: His Glorious Unveiling December 1, 2012 The square brackets are my notes in John Noe’s texts.

[ Pages 24-25] “This “second-time” [Noe is referring to Hebrews 9:28] coming follows the typology of Israel’s high priest on the Day of Atonement, which occurred every year. And Christ as both our sacrifice and our High Priest (see Heb. 7:27-29; 9:11-15) had [past tense] to come and fulfill this typology, perfectly (see Heb. 8.9. and 10). … My working definition for “a second coming of Jesus” is this: it’s a personal and bodily intervention and / or manifestation of Jesus into the life of the individual, a group, a church, a nation on this earth.
[page 43] But Jesus’ promise also bears relevance to his coming to fulfill and finalize all things: “So Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of the people, and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him” (Heb. 9:28). If, however, Jesus had not come in this way …”
[page 105] the change of the covenants circa A.D. 70.

[From Donald Perry]

Our future: The second coming of Hebrews 9:28 is that of Christ completing sanctification and mediation; this coming happens to the effect that we are brought to heaven. Christ’s second coming has to do with completing our sanctification process, not our ‘atonement process in AD 70’ as John Noe implies. This doctrine that atonement was not accomplished at the cross has all kinds of heretical implications. There is only one second coming, not in “our past” but in our future. This is the end of sanctification, and what Hebrews 9:28 refers to. Read Hebrews 9-10. Christ sat down in AD 33, and secured atonement by his death as the testator, not by a second coming after “the typology of Israel’s high priest on the Day of Atonement, which occurred every year” as what is typical for what Full Preterists refer to when talking about AD 70. Christ’s atonement was accomplished on the cross. Sanctification and salvation for sinners is pictured as the ongoing process of the High Priest until He appears a second time without sin (Hebrews 9:27-28).

Their Future: However this work of Hebrews 9:28 was pictured to have happened for those in AD 66. For those in that generation this passage only helps them understand what would happen to them, when they are to universally meet Christ in glory.

Our future: Nevertheless , this coming equally applies to us when Christ delivers us from this earth. Therefore, there is a second coming that is equally relevant for us today, and like John, we will fall down as dead, no more in this corruptible body. Therefore will we not sin any more when we see Him. John Noe is wrong, we still wait for something in a hope much more than merely ongoing “intervention and / or manifestation”. Wrong, wrong, wrong. John, please read Hebrews 9-10 again, and ask some Greek scholars about it.

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