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By EWMI - Posted on 10 October 2007

by Albert Persohn
Eight years of Biofuels (ethanol) policy and legislation has cemented in place the first world wide food cabal, which promises a humanitarian disaster, a famine more serious than those caused by any tsunami, earthquake or drought. This crisis is not in the dim future, it is here.Eight years of Biofuels (ethanol) policy and legislation has cemented in place the first world wide food cabal, which promises a humanitarian disaster, a famine more serious than those caused by any tsunami, earthquake or drought. This crisis is not in the dim future, it is here.I have been gathering ethanol related material for some time now in preparation for a series of articles. Fortuitously for me I found this gem on Charles Carlson's website. The article is long and I have included the references and donation link at the bottom.

Corn-to-Ethanol: US Agribusiness Magic Path To A World Food Monopoly

Charles E. Carlson Sep 27, 2007

Eight years of Biofuels (ethanol) policy and legislation has cemented in place the first world wide food cabal, which promises a humanitarian disaster, a famine more serious than those caused by any tsunami, earthquake or drought. This crisis is not in the dim future, it is here.

Congress has, in a series of acts passed in this millennium, handed the perfect monopoly to what appears to be few giant agribusiness companies that already have enormous economic power, but which may be a much broader cabal.

If you can afford $6.00 a gallon for milk, $4.00 for a loaf of bread and still have money left over for a $50.00 steak at Outback, you may be prepared for 2008, but what about the future? Even if you and I may think we are prepared financially to buy food, whatever the cost, we must have concern for the billion souls who are not and who are condemned to starvation by the corn-to-alcohol conversion scheme.

Subsidies do not make the giant agribusiness firms criminals, only opportunists. Their Public Relations distortion about the value of grain alcohol as fuel is criminal. Congressmen are the real cheats, for they could acknowledge this if they wanted to, but they do not, so they share in the crimes—grand theft and murder by starvation. This being a “Christian” society, it falls to those who heed Jesus Christ’s repeated admonitions to feed the needy and protect those who cannot protect themselves to stop corn-to-alcohol conversion. Make no mistake this is a moral issue.

Many of us Americans still think we have a layer of financial fat and can afford a doubling or tripling of food costs without going hungry. Not so in the third world, and with some in America as well. A friend reminded me, "Meat is not good for us anyway." Some would not mind giving up meat sometimes, but in Darfur or Uganda, there may be no meat or luxury foods to give up. When the price of rice or corn, or beans rises suddenly by a third or half, many will go without. This recently happened in Mexico City with corn tortilla shells; in the third world, the price of corn may be the difference between life and death. Commodity markets are now world markets, when price of corn rises in Chicago the impact is felt in India and Russia.

Engineering a food monopoly

Political leaders of both parties have appropriated billions of dollars to subsidize major agribusiness corporations to destroy food; the latest appropriation was $14 billion. They call the process “bio-fuel” or ethanol production, but because the amount of fuel produced is less than the amount of fuel it takes to produce it, the only correct term for the process is systematic destruction of the food consumed in the process. Agribusiness giants include Archer Daniels Midland, whose income was $44 billion last year, are subsidized to burn up America’s surplus food (mostly corn), while they carry out their principle business, marketing the remaining food which is made more scarce, expensive, and profitable in the process. Congress has created over us the first nearly foolproof, open-ended, food monopoly. This finacial scam is to big and too well sheltered not to come from the highest level of banking and politics.

Corn is the most abundant readily storable and amazingly cheap basic foodstuff, and it is being wasted in an age when millions of grain eaters face starvation for lack of vegetable calories. Darfur is only one of many well-publicized examples in central and southern Africa where corn (maize) is a staple but will not grow because of a water shortage. Darfur needs imported grain, not occupation…food and water will solve its problem armies can't. But when the price of commodities go up the quantity of gifts to the poor go down simply because we all define what we give in dollars, not pounds of food, and our dollars buy less food.

The corn-to-alcohol scheme may well be the largest single financial crime of all time in its impact on people. Its cost to consumers in higher food prices, disregarding the direct subsidies, will exceed the total cost of the so-called war in Iraq, plus the cost of the escalated oil prices. It will dwarf the cost of every war, going back and including Vietnam and World Wars II and I. It will even exceed the cost of the oil increase to $81.00 per barrel. There cannot be a bigger issue than food. No problem in America comes close to it in importance, because no one can escape depending on food for survival -- and we are talking about doubling or tripling its cost of basic grain commodities on which the non-rich survive.

The problem we will expose in this brief paper is not a natural one like drought, tidal wave or earthquake. It is totally man-made for the profit of a few, and it is based on a preposterous, proven lie--that ethanol is a good fuel to burn in autos. The Ethanol subsidy is "take from the poor and give to the rich," scheme. A humanitarian food crisis is a moral issue requiring us to act in the interest of those who cannot act for themselves. Men of faith should lead.

The perpetual ethanol boondoggle started with laws passed by Congress to subsidize the fermenting of corn and other foods to create grain alcohol, which was supposed to burn in cars instead of fossil fuel to reduce “global warming” and to save precious natural fuel, or so we are told. It is every bit as evil a scheme as if it forced all of us to drink the 9 billon gallons of pure 200 proof alcahol now being produced from corn in America. (1)

Ethanol, known as grain alcohol, was in a diluted and impure fprm called "moonshine" or “white lightning” in the long past years called “Prohibition.” Ethanol has many chemical uses and certain medical properties, but a fuel to run autos it is not, poor in performance, expensive to make, difficult to transport, all well documented by qualified scientific experts.

We will introduce a few whose scientific works explain that corn to ethanol has been an unworkable scam from the very start and exists only because consumers are forced to subsidize it. Those who predicted that ethanol was an economic farce and it would never be economical have been vindicated. What too few foresaw was how bio-fuels were in fact a scam to bring basic food commodities under monopoly price control.

We Hold These Truths believe rising food costs and controlled and engineered world famine may well be a planned results of ethanol legislation. Our conclusions are not based on complex scientific evidence, though such evidence has been available for years, and is too obvious to have been overlooked at the top. Common sense and the simple laws of the marketplace are our guides, and there is no better place to begin than at the filling station.

If you look at the gas pump, you’ll see a little sign: “Contains 15% (or 10%) ethanol.” So, if your tank holds 20 gallons and you fill it for a total cost of $50.00, three of the 20 gallons you pump into the tank are grain alcohol made from corn. One study tells us the subsidy to those who make ethanol cost taxpayers $2.21 per gallon of fossil fuel replaced, or $6.63 for three gallons. (The lowest estimate of direct subsidies we find is $.51 per gallon, or $1.53 for your three gallons of alcohol.) This subsidy is over and above the $7.50 you pay for the three gallons of alcohol you pumped into your tank, which will not take you as far as the fuel farmers burned to raise the corn that went into the alcohol! No wonder agribusiness wants to build more plants and distill more corn into alcohol. The three gallons of ethanol are distilled from about 70 pounds of corn that would otherwise have been converted into beef, chicken, eggs, milk, pork or catfish. Corn would and does sustain human life quite nicely as a main staple for those who cannot afford meat, eggs, or milk.

USA Agribusiness already claims to have the capacity to produce about 13.5 billion gallons of ethanol, which will result in the destruction of over 5 billion bushels of corn. Its capacity is skyrocketing, because the more corn agribusiness destroys, the more subsidies they “earn”. Agribusiness spokesmen have voiced plans to consume 25% of the country’s approximate 1.4 billion bushel corn harvest; the price of corn in the marketplace clearly tells us the scheme has already effectively dried up most of the corn reserves…it is likely that we will discover that there are no longer significant grain reserves in the USA.

Starvation is the issue

Grain alcohol, or “white lightning” as it was once called, is reputed to have driven many to insanity. It is your author’s terrible vision that the monopoly created to make it will drive many Americans out of the middle class, and it will condemn many millions of third world children to starvation. Huge as the subsidy to grain alcohol distilling is, it is only the tip of a much bigger iceberg; it is this hidden effect that concerns We Hold These Truths--the impact on world food availability, an issue rarely discussed. The enormous, unjustifiable subsidies to agribusiness may not bring famine, but the food shortage that results from food burning for profit will bring famine and slow starvation. Those who have food will control those who do not. This shortage of food will profit agribusiness just as the shortage of oil from the shutdown of Iraq is benefiting big oil now.

Burning food—technically, distilling grain to grain alcohol--was mandated by Congress, probably because they were lobbied by US agribusiness, and no one objected. It was well known that ethanol burned inefficiently in our autos, could not solve the energy problem, and costs taxpayers incalculable billions at the gas pumps. It can be shown that most of what we pay for ethanol goes directly into the pockets of big Agribusiness in the form of subsidies. (1)

Make no mistake about it; the manufacturing of ethanol (grain alcohol) is no different from burning corn needed for human food in most of the third world. Well-researched reports by academic and industry sources make it clear that ethanol is counterproductive in a variety of ways, including economically, and produces a negative result on the environment.

How Big Is The Corn-to-alcohol Fraud?

The Renewable Fuel Association, a trade organization of big agribusinesses, lists 129 existing plants with 76 more under construction, and projects the total production capacity to a staggering 13,429 billion gallons of ethanol every year. All but a few small, experimental ones burn corn. (2)

History shows an explosion of production in recent years:

2001 1,770 (billions of gallons)

2002 2,130

2003 2,800

2004 3,400

2005 3,904

2007 13,429 Projected capacity

(2) The Renewable Fuel Association

Figures on subsidies and industry profits are hard to come by, but there is no shortage of experts who say the industry exists on subsidies. One very credible report was done by David Pimentel, professor of ecology and agriculture at Cornell, and Tad W. Patzek, professor of civil and environmental engineering at Berkley, a detailed analysis of the energy input-yield ratios of producing ethanol from corn and "bio-diesel" from soybean and sunflower plants. Their report is published in Natural Resources Research (Vol. 14:1, 65-76). We cite a summary report entitled “Producing ethanol and bio-diesel from corn and other crops is not worth the energy.” Physorg.com quotes Dr. Patzek: (3)

"In terms of renewable fuels, ethanol is the worst solution…it is the highest energy cost with the least benefit."

“In terms of energy output compared with energy input for ethanol production, the study found that: --“corn requires 29 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced;” Soybeans and other fuel sources are no better.

"Ethanol production in the United States does not benefit the nation's energy security, its agriculture, economy or the environment

Professor Pimentel of Cornell added in the same paper:

"Ethanol production requires large fossil energy input, and therefore, it is contributing to oil and natural gas imports and U.S. deficits." "There is just no energy benefit to using plant biomass for liquid fuel." "These strategies are not sustainable."

As negative as the Pimentel-Patzek 2004 study, Science Daily’s Energy Bulletin summarized a later study by Dr. Patzek in its 1 Apr 2005, headline, Study: Ethanol Production Consumes Six Units of Energy to Produce Just One, stating the results:

“Dr. Patzek published a fifty-page study on the subject in the journal Critical Reviews in Plant Science. This time, he factored in the myriad energy inputs required by industrial agriculture, from the amount of fuel used to produce fertilizers and corn seeds to the transportation and wastewater disposal costs. All told, he believes that the cumulative energy consumed in corn farming and ethanol production is six times greater than what the end product provides your car engine in terms of power.” (5)

The report warns:

“In 2004, approximately 3.57 billion gallons of ethanol were used as a gas additive in the United States, according to the Renewable Fuels Association (RFA). During the February State of the Union address, President George Bush urged Congress to pass an energy bill that would pump up the amount to 5 billion gallons by 2012. UC Berkeley geoengineering professor Tad W. Patzek thinks that's a very bad idea.”

However, it appears as of this writing the 5 billion gallon ethanol production goal has already been surpassed, according to The Renewable Fuel Association, which lists the present capacity of the industry at over 13.4 billion gallons. Our simple arithmetic tells us this would use up about five billion bushels of corn each year, exceeding 25% of the entire USA new corn harvest! (2)

The bottom line of alcohol energy non-efficiency

Imagine, according to the most conservative estimates, one must spend 1.29 calories of fossil fuels to raise enough corn to get back 1 calorie of ethanol. This seems to be the best case, and it may be much worse. This is the obscene economics of ethanol. But for taxpayers and consumers it gets much worse. It seem we are forced to pay three times for alcohol fuel; first to subsidize those who make it from corn; next, we pay in higher priced fuel at the pump that does not take us as many miles as if we had no alcohol in our tanks; and lastly (and much the worst) in the perpetual higher cost of food that is destroyed and never to be recovered.

The astonishing subsides

Zfacts reports ethanol from corn subsidies totaled $7.0 billion in 2006 for 4.9 billion gallons of ethanol. That's $1.45 per gallon of ethanol (and $2.21 per gallon of gas replaced)"... resulting in a "$5.4 billion dollar windfall of profits paid to real farmers, corporate farmers, and ethanol makers like multinational ADM (Archer Daniels Midland)." According to this study, consumers paid $3.6 billion extra at the pump. * Subsidies for corn ethanol (4)

1. 51¢ per gallon federal blenders credit for $2.5 billion = your tax dollars.

2. $0.9 billion in corn subsidies for ethanol corn = your tax dollars.

3. $3.6 billion extra paid at the pump.

In summary our Congress has licensed big agribusiness to burn food in exchange for worthless alcohol. Yes, worthless is the right word for corn made ethanol as fuel because it requires more calories to produce than it returns when you burn it. Having a negative value is indeed “worthless” except to those paid to make it by destroying valuable food.

Ethanol is 200 proof “white lightning.” The infamous days of “Prohibition” created laws that made it profitable for a few who raised corn to have a still. Today’s corn-to-alcohol scheme produces almost two gallons of white pure white lightning for every man woman and child on the face of the earth! This means the entire world population could be kept stupified most of the time on the grain alcohol U.S. Agribusiness will produce in just one year…by destroying valuable food.

The scarcity factor in burning food

As outrageous as $7 billion of subsidies in one year are, the worst part of burning food is the shortage of humanly consumable calories and animal food that are an inevitable result. The same agribusinesses that destroys corn, also sell what they do not destroy for food! They are the big wholesale food beneficiaries from the shortage they are paid to create, what a brilliant monopoly. Corn burning has an even more sinister side. It is the primary and greatest direct cause of higher food prices we all feel already, and is a direct threat to the subsistence nutrition of the third world poor. Ethanol subsidies are the key to controlling the food chain. Agribusiness industry giants can control and set the price of food to whatever level they wish to maintain, much as a few companies now control the price of petroleum, so long as they are subsidized to burn surplus corn in unlimited quantity. As long as subsides are available there seems to be no limit to the scheme.

American corn surpluses are a blessing to mankind that has kept world grain prices down for years, a gift to the world from American farmers, and a gift from God! The largest surplus in the world was corn, attesting to the incredible efficiency of the American farmer. If Agribusiness giants can destroy America’s surplus and set the price we pay for corn and everything that substitutes for corn. They can and will then ration food worldwide and determine who lives and who dies.

We have already described the process by which distilling alcohol from corn consumes more energy in fossil fuels than it creates. It is also logical to observe that petroleum prices have gone up very steadily since ethanol became mandatory in gasoline. Crude oil just touched $81.00 per barrel, up 400% from day 911. If ethanol did alleviate the energy shortage, why would we not be seeing lower demand and prices for crude oil?

Every American is paying for this subsidized destruction of corn, not once, but three times. First we pay the subsidized ethanol makers billons (we assume someone pays for what our congress gives away) to create a non-economic product we are forced to use; then we pay at the pump because alcohol is poor auto fuel; finally, we again pay in higher food prices resulting from the massive destruction of corn and other food surpluses. We pay this, by far the worst cost over and over again every time we eat a hamburger, buy a gallon of milk or a box of cereal.

Corn is not the only food being burned by American agribusiness giants, but it is the only one they need to burn in their drive to control all food prices. Corn triggers the rest. Poor Mexicans were the first to complain. They felt the pinch from a 30% increase in the price of white corn after the wholesale alcoholization of field corn caused the price to shoot up to $4.00 per bushel in 2006...when ethanol finally absorbed most of the corn surplus. Corn is an international market, and the poor in Mexico City felt the pinch immediately even though they eat foods made of white, not yellow, corn.

Corn, a native crop to the Americas, is a blessing to mankind--a truly cheap food, rich in calories and capable of sustaining life. The average wholesale price of corn was less than $.02 per pound in 2000; but by 2007, thanks to the new alcohol refineries in the Midwest, the average price doubled to $.06 per pound. Even after doubling in price, corn is still our cheapest foodstuff, so what is the problem? You might not eat much corn at your house, a few tacos once in a while, a little corn syrup, maybe some in the dog food, but for the most part you eat bread, meat, milk, fresh fruits and vegetables, so who cares about the price of corn?

The problem is that when the price differential among commodities exceeds the difference in food value, the prices of other grains go up too. Farmers also switch what they raise, from what is cheap to what is hot in the marketplace; this year they switched en masse to raising corn. Now wheat has tripled and soybean prices have more than doubled! The runaway corn price finally bubbled over into the soybean and wheat markets in 2007. Soybeans, another food staple, now sell for more than ten dollars a bushel, more then double.

In 2001 the average price of wheat was about $2.50 per 60 pounds or $.04 per pound; right now the price is $9.25 per 60 pounds or $.15 per pound, and has gone up more than 350% since our government started to burn corn. Wheat prices have more than doubled in 2007. Everything made from wheat is already on the rise. We only recently got used to paying $3.00 for a loaf of bread, but this week I bought my first $4.00 dollar loaf of bread, thanks to those who burn corn.

Consider the effect of the wheat price skyrocket in the one huge starvation experiment being carried on in the world today, the 1.3 million citizens of the Gaza Strip. Gaza is a fenced compound with no significant means of foreign exchange other than gifts. Gaza is therefore almost totally dependent upon the wheat elevated over a fence near the now sealed Karni gate into Israel, and dumped on the ground inside. Israel presently does not interfere with the humanitarian efforts of European countries and private agencies. Imagine the impact of tripling of the price of wheat? Suppose the European Union, which pays for most of the wheat, defines its gift in Euros. With a tripling of wheat prices the amount of bread available inside the wall drops from three loafs to one. Assuming a substance diet inside Gaza 2/3 of the population will now starve unless someone comes up with three times as many Euros. (6)Grain of Hope for Gaza Residence

Meat is made from corn

It is obvious we ask what will happen to meat prices when grain prices have doubled twice; how much will be future chicken, eggs, pork and milk prices? If milk was to doubles twice, as grains have, it will be about $8.00 per gallon! It takes a certain factor of grain to produce a pound of beef on the hoof; it’s a direct ratio, so corn costs translate into beef pork chicken cost of production. There is delayed action in the meat market, before the cost of production hits the dinner table, a boom-bust effect in the marketplace. The grain price explosion has already happened, but the meat explosion is still quietly fizzling away like steak on the grill, ready to explode. It will…it must.

The hungry all over the world that live on corn are the most immediately affected; many more will starve, especially in sub-Saharan Africa where corn is a staple of the diet. But a large part of the American middle class is about to become vegetarian, whether we like it or not, because a meat shortage is right around the corner, and many will soon find meat an unaffordable luxury.

SUMMARY AND CONCLUSION:

The world market for food has been tipped upside down by the creation of a government funded, privately run, monopoly with the power to alter the available food supply by destroying surpluses of corn or other grains. Prices have only started the upward spiral to shortage and famine for some.

The US monopoly which we call "corn-to-alcohol" is fronted for by big agribusiness in the USA and it has eliminated the surplus of corn in a few short years. This has resulted in instant shortages of other grains as well. Now prices of grains are exploding in the world markets, meat prices will follow. Unlike past "bull markets" in commodities, this one cannot self correct by increased world crop productions because the corn-to-alcohol monopoly has open-ended subsidies to buy and destroy as much corn as it find necessary to prevent surplus. We have no doubt Congress will just appropriate more dollars for subsidies whenever called for; there is no limit so long as there is no public outcry.

Surplus food is a blessing of freedom; shortages play into the hands of tyrants. Surpluses are Godly and are talked of in the Bible (remember the wise Pharaoh stored a 7-year supply of wheat).

The Ethanol monopoly could not exist without massive subsidies to agribusiness giants, who in turn can pay giant lobbies to control your Congressmen. The present system assures shortages of everything except the subsidized ethanol plants seen along our highways. The monopoly's capacity to burn food is unlimited, so long as Congress pays for the subsidies. No other argument is relevant, no excuses should be accepted. The subsidy is the only issue that counts.

This paper only scratches the surface of the criminal acts surrounding ethanol. America has been known as the land of plenty and the land that shares its plenty. The corn-to-alcohol monopoly is the engine of planned poverty for the entire world. Who will stop it?

Congress has total responsibility for creating the corn-to-alcohol monopoly, but it will never reverse itself unless absolutely forced to do so because most of its members are bought and paid for.

This is a moral issue. The 80% of Americans that are professing Christians have a responsibility before our God not to allow corporate and political criminal elements among us to cast a pall of planned starvation over the planet. Leaders in Christian churches, who have become quite political of late, now must help fix the problem of starvation that they failed to prevent by giving carte blanche support to those most politically responsible.

Endnotes to Part I

(1) Biofuels Policy and Legislation

http://genomicsgtl.energy.gov/biofuels/legislation.shtml

(2) How big is Bio Fuels, The Renewable Fuel Association?

http://www.ethanolrfa.org/industry/locations/

(3) Producing ethanol and biodiesel from corn and other crops is not worth the energy, Physorg Magazine:

http://www.physorg.com/news4942.html

(4) Zfacts.com, Subsidies for corn ethanol:
http://zfacts.com/p/63.html

(5)Study: Ethanol Production Consumes Six Units Of Energy To Produce Just One

http://www.energybulletin.net/5062.html

(6)Grain of Hope for Gaza Residence

http://whtt.org/index.php?news=2&id=1591

(7) The High Costs of Ethanol, New York Times Sep 19, 2007

http://whtt.org/index.php?news=2&id=1773

If you, as a reader, want to see a wide Internet distribution of this story, please contribute generously to our ongoing efforts. We do not accept any subsidies, and we do have a plan.
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Catching up on reading "Inboxed" Slate newsletters, I found comparable sentiment in the June 26, 2007 article --
The Senate's preposterous new ethanol bill. - By Robert Bryce

Click to page 2 to continue discussion on cellulose based production:
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**Perhaps the most important constraint on cellulosic ethanol is geographic. Like corn ethanol, cellulosic ethanol production is limited by the amount of arable land. In May 2006, former CIA Director John Deutch, who's now a chemistry professor at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, ... estimated that producing enough cellulosic ethanol to replace 1 million barrels of oil per day—roughly equivalent to 22 billion gallons of ethanol per year—would require planting 25 million acres of land in switch grass. That's an area about the size of Kentucky, or about 5 percent of the 440 million acres of cropland in the United States.

And all of this assumes that making cellulosic ethanol is even worth doing from an energy standpoint. A peer-reviewed study of alternative automotive fuels to be published this week by Jan Kreider, an engineering professor at the University of Colorado in Boulder, found that like corn ethanol, cellulosic ethanol produces minuscule gains in net new energy. (Other studies have shown both types of ethanol to be net energy losers. Still others claim significant energy gains.) Kreider's paper will be published by the American Society of Mechanical Engineers as part of its 2007 conference on energy sustainability.

Energy requirements aside, "Cellulosic ethanol doesn't have a proven production technology that's economic," Kreider told me Monday. "But even if there were such a technology, there's not enough land, not enough water, and not enough transportation infrastructure to provide the quantity of fuel the Senate is mandating."
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... Thirty-six billion gallons of ethanol a year sounds like a lot, but it's only 2.34 million barrels per day. And given ethanol's lower heat content—about two-thirds that of gasoline—the effective production would be equivalent to 1.54 million barrels of oil per day. The United States uses nearly 21 million barrels of oil per day, of which 12.54 million barrels are imported. Thus, even if American ethanol producers can miraculously achieve the Senate's goal of 36 billion gallons per year by 2022, they will be producing the equivalent of just 7.4 percent of America's total current oil needs and just 12.2 percent of its imports. That quantity of ethanol will not take America very far toward the oft-repeated goal of energy independence.

One of the commenters addresses the scandal of legislative favoritism --

"... In this case the bill targets ethanol specifically when it could instead mandate an increase in biofuels more generally...or perhaps even most generally fuel alternatives. This would leave open the possibility that someone might develop another technology that might yield higher energy return and lower economic and atmospheric cost. A bill such as this, however, actually stifles innovation b/c it narrowly directs the scope of R&D. It's hard not to see it as a pander to the corn lobby. ..."

Another comment --

"The problem isn't energy independence, it's energy diversity. Right now, we're dependent on one source for fuel: oil. As such, we're totally vulnerable to its risks and shortcomings. ...

Every source of energy has its risks and limitations. The solution isn't picking one ideal source ..., but how to bring as many of them online as possible, with as great an efficiency as possible, ... "

(emphasis added)

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Your excerpts make some good points, if cellulose production becomes viable it most likely would be regional and would be smaller production facilities. I think one of the things overlooked though is the idea of enough land. There is a lot of land that is not used because it is not useful for more difficult crops. It doesn't meet the requirements for raising row crops. In the 1930's we in Oklahoma plowed up the hill sides and planted everything in cotton and other crops and almost ruined the land. Now much of that land is set aside as grass land which could be converted to swithcgrass instead. The bottom line is basically always economical and it must be a technological and economical worthwhile venture to justify its endeavor.

I still think the economic justification is being undersold in some respects. We all know that jobs are going over seas and we are sending our money overseas for oil as well. Well the US has an advantage over most nations in that we have large amounts of tillable and fertile land. Just think of all the transportation, engineering and farm jobs that would be added here in the US if we kept a portion of that money here instead of sending it to the Arabs. That money would start circulating and provide another area of boost to our economic engine. I also think that we should couple it with Nuclear power plants on a standardized model that can be brought on line in just a couple of years instead of ten or more and use that energy to fuel electric hybrid vehicles. It could also be used to produce hydrogen and there might be a move to that as another possible fuel source.

Look at the Canada model of oil shale production, it languished until the price of oil rose to where it became economically viable and now it is booming and producing much income in Canada where there are huge reserves. The story is always economically driven except I think there are strategic reasons to override economics at times to jump start programs that move us away from our dependence on foreign oil.

But the catch is always bureaucratic and political incompetence which throws a monkey wrench in the whole idea. Ultimately its hard to reproduce what the market place can naturally produce. This means that as the world fights over oil more in the future and the price rises then these other ideas become more viable to consider.

Norm

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Norm,

Speaking only to your correct observation: "But the catch is always bureaucratic and political incompetence which throws a monkey wrench in the whole idea."

Government is a bureaucracy and the answer would be similar to the the answer of the tarantula who stung the frog who was carrying him to the other side of the river. When the frog asked "why he had done that since now they would both die?" the answer was "Because I am a tarantula." Excellent example of the "Law of Identity" don't you think? A is always A.

One of the best responses I think I have heard was when a pundit was told that congress was not in session, his answer was "Good! The Republic is safe for another day."

Regards,
Tom

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Tom,

You said, "Good! The Republic is safe for another day."

That ties in generally with my general cynicism toward government meddling and incompetence. It seems no matter how worthy the idea is: Government bureaucracies will screw it up.
Some times it still seems like something is worth an effort just to get us off the Foreign oil spigots though. I don't know what is worse giving money to corrupt politicians and greedy business types who generally don't want to kill us off or giving it to Foreign nations who do.

Which poison is worse? I think I'll take my chances with corruption over here instead of giving it to those with antagonism towards us.

Blessings

Norm

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Hey Norm,

I am sorry if my response led you to think I was the person making the observation about Congress not being in session. That is not the case at all, it is an old anecdotal bromide.

As to your comments, I would not endorse those pejorative opinions in any way. My understanding is that they are all either logically false or factually wrong.

As an example of that conclusion, I would ask you to consider, not the difficult job of gaining a majority consent to the course of action that governs 300 million individuals, but the simple task of gaining the majority consent of the members of PP. Thus the following example:

"You propose to PP that a majority of all members must agree to a mission statement that you propose. That statement will require all members to have no opinion but yours covering the subjects of Prophecy, universalism, sin, death, creation, election, emergence, church government and others. The statement will also include the condemnation that all who will not voluntarily agree are to be removed as members and labeled as corrupt, greedy, meddling and incompetent persons."

Good luck Norm.
Tom

Starlight's picture

Al,this is an interesting article of which I can agree with parts of it but not in totality.

Being raised on a farm in the 50’s and 60’s I saw my father have to give up his dream of continuing full time farming. Over production drove the prices down and it became only a hobby that one could continue if they worked to subsidize their farming hobby. The population shift from 75 percent rural in 1900 to less than 25 percent today is a direct result of farmers abandoning it in droves due to low prices. Farmers would not have too much sympathy with Colson in his desire to keep prices low.

This is a much more complex subject I believe than this article leads one to believe. Colson who I’m a great fan of has embellished and demonized the discussion to provide emotional leverage to his arguments. He has also seemed to rule out any form of biomass ethanol production which seems “corny” to me.

I’m a fan of the possibilities of “switchgrass” (cellulose) instead of corn. If you grew up on the Great Plains as I have you know how easy it is to grow prairie type grasses. You only need land, water and sun to produce it. There are millions of acres that are capable of growing grass that cannot support corn. There are untold acres of farmland that are set aside for government subsidies that could be reclaimed for growing grass. This would keep farmers from plowing up the hill sides to plant corn and instead they would cultivate switch grass which would protect the soil and produce cellulose only as water and sun were provided by the Lord.

Here is an article and some excerpts so that one may become a little more familiar with switch grass as an alternative.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Business/story?id=1566784

“David Bransby, a professor at Auburn University in Auburn, Ala., supervises research into ways to optimize switchgrass production. He told ABC News that researchers know how to grow, plant, harvest and deliver switchgrass, but now they need a market for it. And the biggest barrier to that is government policy.”

“Most ethanol produced in America is made from corn -- a less-efficient material than switchgrass -- but corn producers are supported by a large lobby and huge government subsidies. There is no similar lobby or investment for grass or wood.
On the other hand, he said, "ethanol from cellulose [like switchgrass] is a great energy strategy because for every gallon of ethanol, a tiny amount of fossil material [is used.] There's a dramatic reduction in greenhouse gases, so from an energy perspective it's far superior."
"Corn is an OK source for ethanol," said Daniel Kammen, a professor at the University of California at Berkeley and director of its Institute of the Environment. "But if you really want to hit a home run, you need to go to cellulose."
Other countries have blazed a trail in the conversion of cellulose to ethanol. "Brazil is a big success story in this," Kammen said, noting that 15 years ago the nation began using cellulose from sugar cane to create ethanol, and it now uses 50 percent less gasoline. “

It would be interesting to see what Dr. John Evans thinks about Colson’s article as I trust his economic analysis as typically more pragmatic and balanced. Also I think Coloson forgets that the economic benifits to Americans can be measured in many other ways, such as not sending our billions over to the Arabs so that they can continue to fund Madrass schools. The money is reinvested in America and as good economist I trust you understand that important concept of keeping our money circulating in America.

Blessings

Norm

Islamaphobe's picture

Norm,

Because you solicited my opinion, I shall take time out from my current project to offer it. By the way, you mention that you grew up on the Great Plains. So did I. Born and raised in Amarillo, I still consider myself a Texas Panhandler.

Although I guess I teach my own version of doom and gloom as my reaction to the impact on the world of liberals (secular humanists) and Muslims who take their faith seriously, my response to Carlson is that he is too alarmist. I regard Al Persohn as being quite prone to indulge in all kinds of conspiracy scenarios, most of which involve a good deal of fantasy. In this instance, I think his "the sky is falling approach" to world problems has more of a factual basis than usual, and I am actually glad that he posted the article. I must note, however, that I have never had much interest in agricultural economics.

That American farm policy has long been heavily influenced by big agribusiness firms is a given. Our policy of offering big federal government financial plums to agriculture goes back at least to the 1920s, a time when many farmers were being driven out off the farm. Over the course of decades, the farm population was drastically reduced, agricultural productivity soared, and agribusiness firms grew bigger and bigger--and more politically influential. They bought a lot of politicians and still own them. That said, Carlson steps over the line of plausibility when he starts ranting about $6.00 milk, etc. The agribusiness firms are powerful and many politicians are for sale, but the politicos are not immune to public opinion, and there are other special interest groups who are opposed to the agribusiness and farm lobbies who have the power to influence politiicans. The recent rise in milk prices has drawn the attention of many Americans to the consequences of promoting the production of ethanol and has led to some (not enough) adverse publicity about it. Once we get the Iowa presidential caucuses out of the way, I suspect that we shall hear much more about the negative consequences of the ethanol boondoggle from the politicians and the news media.

We are paying a high price in this country for subsidizing the agricultural and agribusiness lobbies, and we are also paying a high price from caving in to environmental wackos. Personally, I think it has been very stupid on our part to prohibit offshore oil drilling and expanding oil production in northern Alaska, to prohibit the building of nuclear power plants, etc.; but I also believe that when the price of stupidity becomes high enough, most people quit behaving stupidly.

John S. Evans

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Starlight's picture

John,

Thanks for the response. If you have the time I would be interested in your view of the economic impact that American made projects would have on us.

Is there enough economic benifit from these programs which keep the money in the US and producing more jobs to justify them? Also would the moneies that are kept out of the Arab hands be a resonable desire or is it much less important than I suppose.

Norm

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Norm,

I don't have much time. As a long-time student of international economics and a firm believer in comparative advantage, I tend to be skeptical about "keep the money at home" arguments. I recognize, however, that there may be valid reasons for departing from the free trade model, one of which can be national security. And given the enormous cost being imposed on the world by enriching Saudi Arabia and the other Islamic nations that export oil, I am inclined to be VERY open-minded about ideas for reducing our oil-import dependency. As for job creation, we have a high overall employment level in this country, and I do not think that the generation of employment opportunities is, in itself, a sound reason for protectionism here. I suspect that if the Democrats gain full power in Washington and subject us to tax increases and massive increases in government spending programs, unemployment will rise noticeably and generate more demands for trade and investment restrictions in order to generate jobs.

EWMI's picture

A local economics professor remarked to me recently that Comparative Advantage has been rejected by just about everyone. The Chinese, Indians and South Koreans LOVE it because it enriches them at the expense of the West. Let me clarify, they love it when we think it is a working model and try to live by it. It would seem that Comparative Advantage when translated into Mandarin is "Economic Socialism Benefiting The Asian Elite". The Asian multi billionaires laugh at our folly.

While Saudi Arabia has been enriched, we by the cartels set the terms and the prices. After the so -called energy crisis the Saudis and other Arab states wished to drop oil prices. They were dissuaded by GHW Bush who convinced them to increase rather than decrease those prices.

Our failed war against Iraq has increased Oil Prices from 23 to 76 dollars a barrel. So I guess it would be right to blame Muslims for high oil prices. It works like this: We had cheap oil. We staged a war to fight one of the suppliers of cheap oil. Those suppliers just happened to be moderate Christian Friendly secular Muslims. They are now moving to become non moderate antagonistic Muslims. Oil Prices are at an all time high. Yup somehow those AYRABS did it!

In real terms the entire Western world has the highest inflation for years. Considering how long the current economic malaise has been brewing the aggregated real inflation figure may be at an all time high.

Goofing with employment figures is masking the real unemployment figures as well. The entire Western world is running at about 10 Percent real unemployment.

Ethanol will save us.

A fuel that uses about a gallon of petroleum products per gallon to produce. A fuel that gets more subsidy than the gas or diesel it is replacing is worth.

We need ethanol!

Ed's picture

Al,
The Ayn Rand Institute sure doesn't reject Comparative Advantage. I'm also certain that Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, my friend Glenn Moots (an economics professor at Northwood University), the rest of the faculty at Northwood, Thomas Tyrell, Gary North, Lew Rockwell, Tom Rose, the economics faculty at Hillsdale College, the economics faculty at Patrick Henry College, and a great many others that are too numerous to name do not reject Comparative Advantage.

While I understand your concern, having read up on your Distributism, I cannot entirely agree with it. When big business gets in bed with government (as in agribusiness and other industries) that does not benefit anyone - but when the concept of "the separation of industry and the state" (which would include dismantling the Military Industrial Complex) changes the entire concept in my opinion.

ed

ed

Papa is especially fond of us

Islamaphobe's picture

My only response to the idiotic statement that "Comparative Advantage has been rejected by just about everyone" is that what "everyone" rejects is the idea that its application should override all other considerations. No further comment.

JSE

tom-g's picture

I for one, have a problem with the fallacy of equivocation being advocated and applauded by economists.

I have a great problem with a theory that is so ambiguous that it defines the economic term "Absolute Advantage" at the same time with both the term "Comparative Advantage" and its contradiction "Comparative Disadvantage". I guess we can scrap the "Laws of identity" and "Contradiction" when applied to economics.

But, probably like all other problems, economics will just create a mathematical model and assume it away.

Regards,
Tom

Starlight's picture

It has come to my attention that I have misidentified the author as being Charles “Chuck” Colson which is incorrect. I have no knowledge of Charles Carlson so my inference of respect is misplaced.

As the haphazard woman on the Saturday Night Live news skit used to say “never mind” <:-O

Now I understand why my eye doctor insist that I wear my glasses all the time.

Norm

EWMI's picture

Hi Norm,

As for glasses I have just tried some "Pinhole Glasses" what a difference!

I too have an agricultural background am still working to try to understand this phenomenon. I tend to side more with Carlson than most would. A good test may be to watch food prices.

www.whtt.org is Carlson's website. His ministry is assisting people to understand the problems of Christian Zionism.

al

Starlight's picture

Al,

The possibilities for corruption due to subsidies is what bothers me mostly about using corn as the ethanol source. I believe that if prices stay high then more land would be put into cultivation thus eventually stabilizing prices. Again I think the economic benefit to America may be much greater than Mr. Carlson recognizes. I do not think he has fully analyzed the complete economic stimulus and tax revenues derived from this. It really needs unbiased economical analytical work performed on all aspects.

The only reason I support Government involvement in the first place is that sometimes programs that may have great potential benifit need a kick start to get them over the hump. The problem is that the kickstart never seems to get fazed out properly due to crooked politicians and greedy businesses or a greedy population that continues to vote them in.

Norm

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If I haven't already recorded over it, I have set the tape in some pile. I can't even remember if it was Nightline, 20/20-Stossel, or a PBS segment ::

Since ethanol can not be transported by pipeline, costs are a major factor in cost-worthiness. Local/regional symbiotic models were extolled as economically viable. A production facility with harvests near Denver (?) made short haul trucking economic for fuel delivery and a local feedlot operation purchased the byproduct ( a feed mash ?) which served as a cheaper, more nutrient rich, alternative to standard feed mixes. The bit did not mention what the subsidy factor may have been.

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On slightly different note --
Having dominant packrat genetics, I am intrigued by any innovation that might prove useful in reusing or processing solid waste or junk in contra to conventional landfill thinking.

Notwithstanding Hal Lindsay's prophetic ruminations, he does make some interesting observations on current events and other notable efforts.
On a recent episode, he mentioned a process for turning most any kind of waste into fuel that is advocated by Changing World Technologies, Inc.

"The Thermal Conversion Process, or TCP, mimics the earth’s natural geothermal process by using water, heat and pressure to transform organic and inorganic wastes into oils, gases, carbons, metals and ash. Even heavy metals are transformed into harmless oxides."

Sounds good. Viable or more con?

G1
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G-Juan Wind

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