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By chrisliv - Posted on 13 October 2004

by Uri Avnery

When Ariel Sharon announced his plan for “unilateral disengagement,” the media reported that the Peace Now movement was preparing a big public campaign in support. The Prime Minister’s office asked them to desist, fearing that such a campaign would cause the extreme right to oppose it.Peace Now was not the only “leftist” group that waxed enthusiastic about the plan. The chiefs of the Labor Party declared that it was really their own plan and that, therefore, it was their duty to join the government and help Sharon to implement it.

I was one of the very few who immediately raised their voice against the plan. I argued that it was really a right-wing plan for annexing most of the West Bank , burying the peace process and deceiving public opinion in Israel and abroad.

I was certain of this, because I know Sharon . I have been watching the man for 50 years and have written three biographical essays about him. I know what he thinks and I know how he operates.

Now Dov Weisglass has confirmed everything I said and more. In an interview with Haaretz, he stated that the sole aim of the plan was to “freeze” the peace process. The real purpose of the “disengagement” is to block negotiations with the Palestinians for dozens of years and to prevent any discussion about the West Bank , while at the same time extending the Israeli settlements in a way that will put an end to any possibility of a future Palestinian state.

Dov Weisglass is not just anybody. He reminds one of the “eminence grise” (“gray cardinal”), the secretary of Cardinal Richelieu, the Prime Minister of France 400 years ago. It was said at the time that it was the secretary who was really in charge behind the scenes.

Weisglass has been the legal advisor and a close personal friend of Sharon for decades. He is Sharon ’s special emissary for delicate missions, the man who can twist Condoleezza Rice around his little finger. In Sharon ’s menagerie, he is the fox.

His frank statement is the final word. It puts to shame not only the simple souls of Peace Now and the less simple souls like Shimon Peres & Co. of the Labor Party, but also George Bush and the other world leaders who for months have taken this piece of deceit as a serious peace plan. (Poor Colin Powell called it “historic.”)

Weisglass’ disclosure was vying for media attention with the “stretcher case” – a story that also reveals Sharon ’s methods. It might have been funny, if it did not threaten such tragic results.

Sharon wants to destroy UNRWA, the special United Nations Relief and Works Agency that moderates the misery of the four million Palestinian refugees. It is a big organization with some 25,000 employees, including teachers, social workers and physicians, almost all of them, of course, Palestinians. It provides the refugees with food, education, health services and, in case of need, a roof over their head. Without it, the refugees would long ago have descended into an abyss of hunger and despair. At present, while our army is destroying whole Gaza neighborhoods and their infrastructure, UNRWA is providing food, tents and medical care to needy Palestinians who are not refugees.

The very existence of this organization disturbs Sharon and his generals, who want to break the resistance of the Palestinians by turning their life into hell. After working systematically to smash the Palestinian National Authority, they are now trying to crush UNRWA. As reported in the media, Sharon ordered his generals to supply the Foreign Office’s propaganda department with secret army photos, in order to prove that UNRWA cooperates with the “terror organizations.”

The next day, all the Israeli TV channels displayed aerial reconnaissance photos showing a Qassam rocket launcher being loaded into an UNRWA ambulance. That was the beginning of a wild campaign against the organization. Israeli diplomats in New York demanded that the Danish UNRWA director, Peter Hansen, be fired.

Two days later, the whole thing came apart. UNRWA claimed that the man in the picture was not carrying a rocket launcher but a stretcher. The generals first issued a denial, than stuttered, then half-heartedly admitted that, perhaps, a deplorable mistake had occurred: the professional analysts in the army intelligence department, lowly sergeants or second lieutenants, may have misinterpreted the pictures.

This answer needs investigating. Did the analysts lie or did they believe what they said? Each possibility is worse than the other.

If the experts lied, they did nothing unusual. It can be said that they did what intelligence people do all over the world: supply their bosses with the information they want to hear. Bush wants to attack Iraq ? The CIA provides information about Sadam’s WMDs. Sharon wants to destroy UNRWA? Army intelligence provides photos of Hansen’s rocket launchers.

Fifty years ago, when foreign correspondents asked me about the credibility of official IDF statements, I used to answer that our army does not lie. One should believe its communiques, without a good reason to the contrary. Those days are long passed. When I am asked the same question nowadays, I advise not to believe a single word of army announcements, without good reason to the contrary.

So it is not surprising that army intelligence is lying. In countless appearances before the cabinet and the Knesset foreign-and-security committee, the intelligence chiefs have peddled outright lies and false assessments. That’s nothing new.

But there is also the possibility that the analysts did believe that they were providing accurate information. And that is even more frightening.

One does not have to be an expert to see that the man in the photo is not carrying a rocket launcher. No one carries a heavy object in one hand like the person in the photo. Clearly, what he is carrying is light. A second glance also shows that, without doubt, it is indeed a stretcher. It looks like a stretcher and the man is carrying it like a stretcher. (“If it walks like a duck and squawks like a duck . . . .”)

If the experts made a mistake, why is that so awful? It’s awful because the Air Force has often hit “rocket launcher squads” identified as such by the same photo analysts, a finding that is transmitted within seconds and that results in death within seconds. Afterwards the army spokesmen announce with great satisfaction that another deadly squad has been “eliminated.” How many human beings, children including, have been killed by this kind of “certain identification”?

Even worse, this particular “mistake” practically invites soldiers to shoot at ambulances carrying the wounded.

I have met Peter Hansen only once, at a UN conference about the refugees. He struck me as a decent and principled person. I hope he will stay in his post.

One case of killing caused by “certain identification” this week should have shocked the world.

Iman Alhamas, a 13-year old girl from Rafah, was on her way to school, following the same route she took every day. Suddenly deadly fire enveloped her. The doctors extracted 20 bullets from her body. Since not every bullet hits its target and some pass right through, it may be assumed that at least 100 bullets were fired at her from several army positions – one hundred bullets for one little girl. In her bag, only schoolbooks were found.

The army spokesmen issued the standard mendacious statement: The girl had entered a “forbidden zone,” the soldiers took her for a “terrorist,” the bag looked as if it contained explosives, etc. etc.

So what happened in reality?

The simplest explanation is that the soldiers shot as if they were at a shooting range as revenge for the two children killed by a Quassam rocket in the Israeli town Sderot. But that is not easy to believe.

Another explanation, no less alarming, is that the soldiers are in a perpetual state of panic. I have personally seen soldiers in panic shooting at everything that moves. Perhaps this is what happened here, too: The girl threw her bag away and started to flee after a warning shot was fired, and the soldiers, instead of shooting at the bag, shot at her.

The skeptical attitude of the Israeli public towards announcements of the security apparatus caused another tragedy this week.

On the eve of the Jewish New Year, the General Security Service advised the public not to cross into Sinai because of urgent security warnings. The people voted no-confidence with their feet. In spite of the repeated warnings, tens of thousands spent the Jewish holiday season there. They believed that the warning was politically motivated and that, anyhow, if the threat were serious, the authorities would have closed the border.

This time, however, the warnings were justified. Many dozens were killed and wounded in mass attacks.

No Palestinian organization would have thought of provoking the Egyptian government. Therefore, it appears that something new has happened.

We have warned many times that the young Arab and Muslim generation in the world will not stand aside forever while the TV brings reports every day that show how the Arab nation is humiliated. The apathy of the Arab and Muslim governments towards the events in the occupied Palestinian territories looks to them like humiliating cowardice or rank treason.

The mistreatment of the Palestinian people by Sharon and his predecessors has created an explosive situation. The invasion of Iraq by Bush has provided the spark. An Arab-Muslim resistance movement is coming into being, a resistance that sees no difference between Iraq and Palestine , between Israel , the US and the Arab governments.

That, it seems, is the message of Taba.

leslie's picture

Chrisliv, did you 'make' this up? The israeli army does not make a 'deplorable mistake'all mistakes are planned to not be found out. You know that you can ask islamaphobe and seeker, they will tell you that the 'lowly' segeants and the 'lowly' second lieutenant were right all along and the U.N. 'must' have made them retracked their statements.(are they in the israeli army also?) israel is known for raising False flags all the time, the ends always justifise the means. I do not think there should be two nations there. There should be one nation, with equal rights for all. It is 2004, not 1860 in the Deep South. If we want Democracy in Iraq, maybe we should 'help'them have a free society of equal classes instead of 1st class and 3rd world class in Palistine before Iraq

Brother Les

Virgil's picture

Chrisliv didn't write this...Uri Avnery did, and regardless of disagreeing with him or not, you need to pay attention to him...he is one of the very few voices of reason in Israel today, who wants peace and prosperity for both Jews and Palestinians.

JL's picture

Virgil,

I thought Les was trying to be sarcastic.

JL

Blessings,

JL Vaughn
Beyond Creation Science

Islamaphobe's picture

I actually found the article to be interesting and worth reading. Unfortunately, it portrays the Palestinians only as victims and places the blame for their victimhood squarely on the Israelis, most of all Ariel Sharon. From where I sit, admittedly far from the scene, it looks like the Palestinians are also victims of the corruption and brutality of those who have become their designated leaders, as well as the victims of an unfortunate religious heritage and an honor culture that relegates women to second-class status and makes the machismo of the Mexican culture seem effeminate by comparison. The author brings all this out, perhaps unintentionally, when he claims that by humiliating the Arabs, the Israelis and Americans are worsening the situation in the Middle East. Personally, I no longer care if the Arabs are humiliated if humiliating them will help to reform a culture that I believe to be profoundly sick and minimizes the damage that they do to themselves and the rest of the world. Why the Arabs should be exempt from the admonition to "walk humbly before thy God" (Micah 6:8) is something that escapes me.

All that said, I also believe that there are Arabs who recognize that the time has come to stop playing the blame game and turn their culture around. I believe that Islam is in a great crisis and that the next few years are going to be terrible as that crisis builds to a peak. The pace of social change has accelerated, and there are reasons for optimism, but I have gone on long enough. I shall conclude with the assertion that the fixation on the evil behavior of some Jews that several posters on this site exhibit is, to put it charitably, somewhat unbalanced.

Seeker's picture

Islamaphobe said:

the fixation on the evil behavior of some Jews that several posters on this site exhibit is, to put it charitably, somewhat unbalanced.

I say:

Boy, that is putting it charitably. Their hatred for Israel is almost to the point of being unhealthy. Anyone who has studied the region (the entire Middle East) and its history knows that the Arab world will not stop their terrorism until there is no more a nation of Israel.

Seeker

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To this I would like to add that I, personally, am "pro-Palestinian" where the Arab-Israeli conflict is concerned. I've lived over there, studied the culture and religion, historical situation and interacted with Palestinians firsthand (as well as other Arabs of the region).

Having said this - I believe that the Arabs DO have an inherent flaw in their psychological makeup (most of them) which would prompt them to violence towards each other, if all Israelis were to suddenly declare the State of Israel dissolved, and withdraw from the region. The resultant vacuum would deteriorate into a bloodbath similar to the Lebanese situation of the 80s.

The "road to peace" in the region is actually very simple. The American government and public must withdraw all economic and military support for Israel. She must stand or fall on her own, two feet. If she is overwhelmed by the Arabs - it would be tragic and yet it would be no more than the repetitive cycle of history once again revolving through another phase of human experience at the macro-cosmic level. The State of Israel, as we know, is an illegitimate entity. So if it DOES collapse - the situation will resolve itself according to natural societal processes and means. The Muslims would most certainly take care not to attack Jerusalem in any way that would threaten the Mosque of Omar - that much is certain.

Just thought I'd toss those few thoughts into the mix. I've read a book by a former Mossad agent who held a very similar perspective to the author of the article above. There is a significant percentage of the "Israeli" population who are not supportive of their "intelligence service" and government. They understand the extreme agenda at work and also see that Zionism has run its course and is now outdated, morally bankrupt and defunct.

Seeker's picture

If the International community is going to declare that Israel is a nation (as they did in 1948) then they are not illegitimate. What the International community better do is not withdraw from the region, but stay and assure that they remain a nation. The same concept in Iraq; if we're going to invade and destroy Saddam's regime then we had better stay and see it through.

If we withdrew from the region (which is really sort of silly and would never happen even with the most liberal in office) the Arab nations would align themselves and jointly come against Israel. They're not about to as long as we're there.

Some people on this board have this warped sense that because the "TRUE" "physical" nation of Israel was destroyed in 70 ad, that this people who call themselves Israelites have no right to exist as a nation. How stupid!

And this continued harping on Zionism is really getting old. Stop living in the past and join us today, so that we can solve our "REAL" problems today instead of worrying about that "evil" Zionism from the past.

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Islamaphobe's picture

I second the motion.

JL's picture

The "International community" declared the that the Confederacy was a nation back in 1861. Since 1948, the "International community" has declared numerous contries into existance and installed dictators and thugs as "legitimate" leaders of these so-called countries. What makes Israel so special?

Blessings,

JL Vaughn
Beyond Creation Science

leslie's picture

What makes them so special. They use the right 'code'words to push Dipsy buttons. Since 'we' all know that The Church was a mistake. (tear in my eye)The 'real' israel must stand up. Woe Woe, in Unbelief. To Rise up a Sect, that is Younger than Christianity.

Brother Les

Seeker's picture

Maybe you were educated in public school and just don't get it; I don't know how to make it any simpler.

You keep spouting this "real" Israel crap that nobody here is advocating except for you (even if it is sarcastically).

Seeker

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SuperSoulFighter's picture

The reason so many people reiterate this point (which is NOT "crap", seeker, as it is in keeping with the Full Preterist perspective on the fulfillment of all prophecy in 70 AD), is that most Western Christians (who support Israel financially to a degree exceeding that of the Western governments themselves) do so because they believe the Israelis are "God's special people", who He is preserving for a special, prophetic purpose. I hope YOU don't believe that, seeker, because if so - you have some very serious study and research to do in this area. Your "seeking" should be particularly focussed on correcting your perspective in this area, and aligning it with the Truth in terms of both history and the Word of God.

The issue of Israel's legitimacy according to its very NAME (a false designation stolen from an ancient Nation that ceased to exist in 70 AD) is directly involved with its claim to the "land of Palestine" or "Holy Land" or "Promised Land" (as some would designate it, incorrectly interpreting the Abrahamic Covenant in exclusively PHYSICAL terms). The Israelis have NO legitimate "claim" or title to the land, and the "International Community" had no legitimate "right" to grant them sovereignty over land that did NOT belong to them. The Brits responsible for oversight of the area just before Israel declared "statehood" felt that they WERE "God's chosen people" and DID have an ancient "claim" to the land. They were wrong. Biblically AND historically.

Leslie is making a valid point. You may not like it, but I suggest you get used to it at this site. We all firmly believe the same thing in this regard (those of us who are FPs).

Waidmann's picture

Israel has the same right to exist that any nation has. They either hold it by force of arms, or they have a sponsor who holds it for them by force of arms. That is the only reason that any nation exists. And, for that matter, the converse is why some nations no longer exist (like South VietNam, Cambodia, Rhodesia, Spanish Sahara, Iroquois Nation, etc).

The question that I keep asking myself is whether the US is a permissive force for Israel, or a moderating, restraining one. I believe that if the US cut off backing for Israel, they would get nastier towards their Arab neighbors. If the rest of the Arab world did, indeed, line up against them and go to war, Damascus, Cairo, Tehran and God only know who else would disappear under a nuclear mushroom.

Israel has made it very clear "Never Again", or at least, "Never Again Alone".

Waidmann

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It's a powderkeg alright, Waidmann. Is the US a "moderating force" or a "permissive" one? It's difficult to tell. Undoubtedly, the US is the "voice of reason" where the escalation of armed conflict is concerned, due to their oil interests and concerns in the Middle East. Will they be ultimately successful in maintaining a shaky "peace"? Not likely. Should the US "cut its losses" and vacate? In many ways, even though there might APPEAR to be the threat of nuclear war - I think the geographical proximity of these countries to each other presents a danger of mutual airborne radioactive contamination. I'm not saying the Israeli radicals aren't crazy enough to contemplate this - I'm just suggesting that wiser heads seem to prevail at present (among the military leaders).

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SSF,

"...wiser heads seem to prevail at present (among the military leaders)."

I suspect that is because so far there has been no serious threat to Israel's survival. Certainly Israel is take the results of a suicide bomb every now and then without going nuclear. The nuclear threat has always been a MAD weapon.

However, I also strongly suspect that the reason the Arab nations have [i][b]not[/b][/i] lined up behind their Palestinian "brethren" and invaded Israel again is because Israel has passed the word to them via intellegence channels that the last thing Israel does before losing such a war is destroy every Arab capital, religious city and population center. It's a believable threat.

I, for one, have no doubt they would do it. "Never Again" is more than a political slogan.

Waidmann

Seeker's picture

SuperSoulFighter,

I have no idea what you're talking about. I've been trying to explain this as simply as I can. I believe the Real Israel ceased to exist in 70ad, but some here keep making that claim as if it matters. We all believe that so stop bringing it up. It might matter when you're arguing with a dispy, but you're not so drop it.

We're talking about a modern-day people who happen to call themselves Israelites. Who cares that they're not thr "True" Israelites. They're still a people who have every right to exist as a nation as everyone else.

We call ourselves Americans but we're no relatiom to Americus and we certainly didn't have any right to this land, but we're here and we will defend it. So the argument that they have no right to that land is moot and frankly old and tired.

I don't prefer Israel over any other nation (except maybe some in the Middle-East that sponsor terrorism), and I don't think they have or deserve any special status, but they do deserve the right to defend their nation just like anyone else does.

Seeker

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SuperSoulFighter's picture

...I don't think they have or deserve any special status, but they do deserve the right to defend their nation just like anyone else does.

I agree. So the US should let them do it on their own, and quit meddling in their affairs so much. That's MY point.

Seeker's picture

I agree except that we defend many nations from tyrants and terrorists - not just Israel. Kuwait, France, Kosovo, South Korea, Vietnam, etc. are just a few that come to mind.

So my question is why should we just back away from Israel and no one else? Why do Preterists hate them so much?

Seeker

Seeker

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The "International Community" did not declare the Confederacy a nation in 1861.

If the "International Community" (which you seem to use very, very loosely) ever declared any other nations into existance - and they instituted a dictator - then that only proves my point we need to stick it out and change that.

No one is trying to make Israel special. We're simply trying to give them the same rights other nations have. You guys are the ones trying to make them less than equal. You don't want to take away any "special" status they might have, you just want to take away ANY status they have whatsoever.

Seeker

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JL's picture

Seeker,

You are the one who appealled to the "International community." You're the one who claimed Israel was a "legitimate" nation on that basis.

Before 1948, there was no nation or country in the region. The people who lived there did not make themselves a nation. Nationhood was thrust upon them by an outside entity.

They are still not a nation. They produce nothing the world wants. They are completely incapable of supporting themselves. They are a welfare "family." Divorced and supporting her drug habit on foodstamps, HUD housing, handouts, and prostitution. Israel is no different from half the other nations in the Middle East and Africa.

I resent being forced to support drug-addled prostitutes. If that's what you want to do, do it with your own money. But don't make me a party to it or make false claims that they have a right to being called a "family."

JL

Blessings,

JL Vaughn
Beyond Creation Science

Seeker's picture

You had better check your Stats. Israel procuces many things the world wants. I can't remember what it is right off-hand, but I read the other day that Israel produced the majority of several things that we use everyday (again, I can't remember what it was).

Everything you just spouted shows your anger and misunderstanding of Israel's place in the world. There are many, many, countries that don't deserve the land they squat on, but they are there and we recognize them.

You, however, single out Israel because your eschatology has led you to hate them. I have the same eschatology, but I don't let it misguide me in the modern day world.

Seeker

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JL's picture

Seeker,

I have no hatred for Israel. Nowhere have I expressed hatred for Israel. It's all in your imagination. You are so blinded by your hatred of Israel's neighbors, that you can't see straight.

You've singled out Israel as being a legitimate country. You claimed that the "International community" made it legit. That same "International community" made a lot of countries. You don't afford those same countries the same legitimacy.

I've made my case. None of them are legit. The "International community" that you hold so dearly (in this one case) isn't legit either.

You hate Arabs and Africans so much, that you treat illegitimate white nations differently than you treat illegitimate African and Arab nations.

They are all bastards. None of those nations are legitimate. They all do what they can to produce Hell for their victims, their subjects, there so-called citizens.

As for your claim that Israel produces things the world wants, you couldn't name one. And you haven't shown me why it's worth giving them $40 billion a year to kill Palestinians. Nor have you shown me why the people who've lived there for hundreds of years should be thrown out of their homes and thrown off their land.

JL

Blessings,

JL Vaughn
Beyond Creation Science

Seeker's picture

Why people should be thrown out of their homes and off their land?!!! Go tell it to the Native Americans. Are you legit?

I don't know how you ever came up with Africans. Your miserable failure to paint me as a racist is just not working. ANY nation that exists TODAY and abides by certain commen sense rules of conduct is a legitimate nation. I don't care if their black, yellow, red, or white.

If I need to spell it out any more clearly, let me know.

Nowhere have expressed hatred for Palestinians, Arabs, or Africans. You want to support Palestinians because they have a few Christians. Almost every nation has a few Christians!! Even Israel!!! Let's support those Christians (through private means - not through govt.) not the terrorist who rule over the people.

Seeker

Seeker

JL's picture

Seeker,

I never said I wanted to support Palestinians. I want our government to quit supporting terrorist governments. All of them. Including Israel.

JL

Blessings,

JL Vaughn
Beyond Creation Science

Seeker's picture

Agreed! Although I don't agree that Israel is a terrorist state, I see no reason why we should support them financially.

Seeker

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JL's picture

Oh and our "REAL" problems today stem from that action in 1948. There are victims of that action still alive today and there are new victims being created everyday.

Blessings,

JL Vaughn
Beyond Creation Science

SuperSoulFighter's picture

If the International community is going to declare that Israel is a nation (as they did in 1948) then they are not illegitimate. What the International community better do is not withdraw from the region, but stay and assure that they remain a nation. The same concept in Iraq; if we're going to invade and destroy Saddam's regime then we had better stay and see it through.

If we withdrew from the region (which is really sort of silly and would never happen even with the most liberal in office) the Arab nations would align themselves and jointly come against Israel. They're not about to as long as we're there.

Some people on this board have this warped sense that because the "TRUE" "physical" nation of Israel was destroyed in 70 ad, that this people who call themselves Israelites have no right to exist as a nation. How stupid!

You seem to have an exaggerated sense of "responsibility" for Israel's existence as a Nation, seeker. I see very few nations (if any) around the world being "propped up" as a satellite nation to the degree that Israel is by the U.S. The fact is - if she has no ability to secure her own borders independently, and can't cut it economically as an independent entity - then she has no right to exist as a sovereign state - regardless of your politics, theology or anything else.

Call it stupid if you like, but as far as I'm concerned, your perceptions of America's true role in all of this are uninformed and - to be frank - ignorant. The Americans have NO responsibility for the continued maintenance of Israel as a State, nor do they have any need to honor any further commitments to them in terms of assuring them security, militarily. All agreements between these two countries should be nullified ASAP.

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Oh how foolish. If you don't think that Israel has the ability to secure its borders. When is the last time we sent troops to help Israel secure its borders.

Israel has already stated if it was attacked, that before they lost they would destroy every Arab capital with nuclear weapons.

Cry about it all you want but Israel can support itself economically and militarily. The facts are just not on your side.

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leslie's picture

There are UN Peace Keepers on the Israeli borders now, being used as a trip wire to keep other nations out of this sink hole.

Brother Les

JL's picture

Les,

I disagree. I see no reason for any nations there at all. Lebanon was a peaceful place before Eisenhower bestowed nation status on it. Now you've got 4 internal factions vying for power over the others. All it did was "legitimize" certain people taking spoils from others.

Jerusalem was never peaceful and never will be. Those who pray for the literal "Peace of Jerusalem" better hope their prayers aren't answered.

JL

Blessings,

JL Vaughn
Beyond Creation Science

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Yeah, Leslie,

You are funny. I am laughing right at this moment. And you're on your own on this one.

But, you're right too. The Israeli State is being structured to ultimately become a pure Jewish State. Most Israeli Jews who marry a non-Israeli Palestinian are not permitted to live togather in that State. Isn't Democracy grand!

Uri Avnery was a former Knesset member of the Israeli State and is above reproach as a credible source of information and as a peacemaker.

The profound thing he's pointing out here is that he's noticing that the Muslims from every corner of the Middle East are beginning to act against those who are oppressing their fellow Muslims. And if things keep going the way they are, it may soon lead to World War III.

Of course, the State doesn't mind at all, quite the opposite.

Peace to you,
C. Livingstone

davo's picture

On a lighter note check this out :)

TeamAmerica

davo

SuperSoulFighter's picture

That message from Sean Penn is classic, Davo!! Thanks for the great laugh!

John

chrisliv's picture

Yeah, davo,

The commercials for this upcoming puppet movie seem to be an obvious parody of Wash DC's current policy and preoccupation with "Creative Destruction."

It's really kind of sad that the mainstream media will not say as much as a cartoon dares to. That's how it was in Nazi Germany. And even today, where there are totalitarian regimes, the puppeteers come out of the woodwork.

So, I think it's great if they leave the strings showing on the puppets. They obviously could have done a stop-action or some other animation style, but they retained the puppeteer commentary style, yet placed it in a full-blown commercial movie. That's probably a first!

Peace to you all,
Christian

JL's picture

Of course they left the strings in. They beg the question: Who pulls those strings?

JL

Blessings,

JL Vaughn
Beyond Creation Science

chrisliv's picture

Yeah,

It's interesting, Saint a I were just posting on Roderick's Timeline of Preterism article about ways of lampooning.

I suspect that this movie will do well, and probably cost relatively little to make.

Peace,
Christian

Seeker's picture

This movie looks hillarious.

They had to reshoot the "love" scene 9 times because it kept getting an NC-17 or "X" rating. The puppets really got it on, but now it's just quick sex - no long drawn out, detailed, love-making.

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Good Morning Virgil, I know that Chrsliv did not write this piece and I know who Uri Avnery is.He is one of the very few people in Palistine that wants a fair and balanced peace(I can hear the screams now "there will never be any peace untill the terrorists stop.") To this I must say "they are all terrorists to each other." Some of the things I write on this site are tongue in cheek to get people thinking. "We support this, we support that side." HELLO... I don't think God is happy with any of these people (or us for that matter). Why should we support an old country and an old religion and resurrect an old covenant that we all know that God wanted to pass away FOREVER. The Sect of the Way, should be the only 'Sect' that we should support. We are in the New Heaven and the New Earth so we Must turn our backs to the old, or we will be judged as being against God. It may already be to late. I do not support the Islam in any way shape or form, I do not support Judaism in any way shape or form. I believe we should be as Christians we should stay out of the Middle Eastpolitic and only spread the words of JESUS. Theology does matter. And some may think, God will go back on his word and end up raising up a system that he wanted to end any way. THAT makes the CROSS void, Jesus died for NOTHING. Then you are saved by your own works and not by Faith. Strike up the barbecue, because Gods wants another sacrifice at 9:00 and 3:00. May God be given the Glory. Les (thanks for calling me Les, now it feels less formal,let the mud slinging beging)

Brother Les

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So. What is it that you think should happen! The other day it was, the UN must not be involved and now the 'international community' must stay as long as it takes. I find it sad that the UN can say that these Russian Kazars, who practice a 'type' of religion that is younger than Christianity, can push out Palistinian Christians that have lived in Palistine for 2,000 years. Is God smiling or laughing real hard at our foolishness, he says 'it's finished', and the Advisary says 'no' it's not finished, God will always forgive. NO HE WON'T. HE will laugh and then Judge. Les

Brother Les

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Reading todays paper it says, the Palistinians in less than two weeks have murdered 3 Israelis and the Israelis have murdered 105 Palistinians.And some people call this place the Holy Land?

Brother Les

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Yeah,

Haven't you ever heard of an eye for a tooth?

Peace,
Christian

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No, no, you've gotten it all wrong. Palestinian terrorists have murdered 3 innocent Israelis, while Israeli patriots have stopped 105 Palestinian terrorists. That little girl who was shot over one hundred times was carrying a bomb disguised as a school book. That's justice and that's what happens when you try to attack a government deemed legitimate by the International community.

Blessings,

JL Vaughn
Beyond Creation Science

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Sometimes your tongue-n-cheek comments make more sense than your regular ones - at least on this thread.

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JL's picture

Seeker,

You justify shooting 12-year-old Palestinian girls walking home from school as proper military targets. Yet killing 18-year-old off-duty female soldiers is terrorism and murder.

You are absolutely pathetic.

JL

Blessings,

JL Vaughn
Beyond Creation Science

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Thank you!

I'm glad you believe everything you read and see on liberal TV. Unfortunately if this happened (which I doubt) mistakes happen and innocents will die, but they are not PURPOSELY targeted like your Palestinian terrorist buddies. They are your buddies right?

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Seeker,

You refuse to pay attention to what's happening there. Then you make ignorant pronoucements like this. You are a fool. The actual killing was so heinious, the soldiers involved can't deal with it. They targeted and killed this girl on purpose. It was no mistake.

http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/text10-12-2004-60394.asp

JL

Blessings,

JL Vaughn
Beyond Creation Science

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Get a grip man! You're actually believing this stuff. Ask John Kerry about targeting innocents - did it make the whole US govt. illegitimate? Of course not.

You can believe the liberal hype about them targeting the innocents if you want to. It just amazes me that you can point to this one story where you believe Israel targeted an innocent girl, but yet almost on a daily basis we have Palestinians targeting (and I know you don't like to believe this) INNOCENT Israelis and killing them and you approve of it by saying "it's the only way they have of fighting". You, my friend, are the FOOL in this instance.

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Seeker
In eyes of the Palisinians, there are no innocent Israelis. And in the eyes of the Israelis there are no innocent Palistinians. Look through ALL of THEIR eyes, there is blood on everyones hands and there are no innocents, in THEIR eyes.

Brother Les

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And that is a shame. When I see Israel retaliate, I see them target leaders of Hamas. That is a legitimate target. When a group of people lets themselves be controlled by a terrorist organization they are bound to suffer.

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Yep, they target leaders of Hamas like 13-year-old Iman al-Hams.

Blessings,

JL Vaughn
Beyond Creation Science

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