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Does Jesus save aliens?

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By Virgil - Posted on 12 November 2009

Four hundred years after Renaissance philosopher Giordano Bruno was burnt at the stake for his belief in the "plurality of worlds" (aliens), scientists and religious leaders gathered this week at a seemingly more open-minded Vatican for a conference on astrobiology (aliens). The meeting focussed on current science, rather than the theological quandaries thrown up by the possibilty of other life forms beyond this planet. But that hasn't stopped debate spilling over outside the conference.Yesterday I spoke to Paul Davies, a cosmologist from Arizona State University, just after he addressed the conference. In his view, the possibility of other civilisations - potentially more intelligent than our own - puts Christians “in a real bind”. Specifically, he says that nobody's satisfactorily addressed the question of whether aliens get saved. “The Catholic church offers a very species specific brand of salvation. Noone says that Jesus came to save the dolphins and certainly not little green men,” he said.

The possibility of extraterrestrial life does not pose the same problems for Eastern religions, which tend to be less Earth-centric, or Islam, which speaks explicitly of life beyond Earth, he said.

The Vatican does not have an official position on alien life forms, but a number of its scientists have spoken out on the issue. Father Jose Funes, director of the Vatican Observatory told the Vatican newspaper, L’Osservatore Romano, that the possibility of “brother extraterrestrials” was not incompatible with Catholic theology.

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Virgil's picture

"This may be the case, but I agree with Davies that this isn't a trivial issue for theologists. Giggle factor aside, the question of whether Jesus would save aliens goes right to the heart of Christian beliefs. If you believe that "intelligent life" equals having a soul, then you have to ask where you'd draw the line. If scientists found dolphins on a distant planet, they would be mad with excitement at having found something so smart. But what would theologians make of them?"

I don't know if dolphins would be that exciting. Now if they found a "steak tree" on another planet, that would be a huge find for me!

JL's picture

Virgil,

The Church adapted to the discovery of Antipodeans. If we find aliens, we can adapt to that.

After all, Cain was banished from "the face of the earth." Where did he go? Mars?

Blessings.

Blessings,

JL Vaughn
Beyond Creation Science

Barry's picture

None of God's creatures would be aliens.
We are the ones focused on alienation :)
Barry

we are all in this together

plymouthrock's picture

Couldn't agree with Barry more. It is unbelievable how self-centered we are. If aliens exists it would certainly be because
God made them, and He certainly would have some purpose for their existence.

plymouthrock!

chrisliv's picture

Gee,

Without reading the entire story, I'll say that if there are other intelligent beings like us from other planets somewhere, theoretically, they might not need saving as far as God is concerned.

I mean, The Fall, so to speak, is only relevant to Humanity on this Planet. As far as we know, the Bible only applies to us.

Or, maybe like the Angels, other intelligent beings that also have physical forms may have been capable of some sort of a Fall, as far as God expressed it to them, but then God has not made a way Redemption for them, it their context. I mean, as far as we know, the so-called fallen Angels have no way of Redemption.

Or, like the Animal Kingdom, there's no Fall or Redemption. Some animals kill each other, some rape, some are philanders, some keep to one mate, some are meek. And of course PETA is not crying about violence to animals by other animals. God undoubtedly isn't either.

(And, any of you Dispensationalist who think literal lambs will one day mosey on over to loins, while the literal lions will prefer to eat straw, really don't the get imagery and the current reality of Christ's finished work. So, wait if want, but you'll probably be waiting for all eternity.)

So, God has revealed His will to us most clearly through Christ. And that expressed will may not apply to anyone but us Earthlings. Of course, some will undoubtedly want to tell God how He must deal with the Cosmos and everything in it.

Funny, I just watched the Pilot episode of the updated TV series "V", at the ABC website last night. I saw the first run in the 1970s. And this version clues you in to the fact that the Visitors are actually savvy reptiles cloaked in human appearance, which makes sense, because it's not a secret the second time around.

Anyway, in the Pilot, the Vatican and the State quickly endorse the Visitors as God's creatures and helpful due to their Salvation-like ability to provide cures to many diseases and offer Universal Healthcare. Of course, the show sides with the conspiracy theorists who quickly form underground militias, as a battle of the Species will undoubtedly ensue.

Of course, most of Humanity is initially seduced by the Visitors in the typical ways: sex, money, fame, security, etc. And, apparently the Visitors had sleeper cells amongst the humans for some time. But there's a twist, in that some of the Visitors have a Conscience and go Native, by helping the humans against their own kind.

So, maybe some of the Visitors are capable of Repentance or choosing Good and shunning Evil, even at the expense of Species Treason.

That's not too far off from Christian theology and a type of transcendence of Species, by calling followers "new creatures", figuratively speaking.

Peace to you all,
C. Livingstone

ChefTony's picture

Interestingly, I know (personally) some folks who actually believes in a reptilian race here on earth, laymen and Professors alike. Ya see, even PHD’s are prone to incredible, well never mind...

Chef Tony

Chef Tony

chrisliv's picture

Yeah,

Phd's are undoubtedly as likely to be neurotic or delusional as anybody else. I've worked with a few over the years.

There are even people who think there are subhumans living deep inside the Earth, like in the movie, Journey to the Center of the Earth, I think. And don't even some churchgoers say they can hear the sound of Hell coming from deep inside the Earth by using specialized recording equipment?

Isn't Jeff Rense the big promoter of that stuff?

Don't answer that, as I don't really care.

I sometimes listen to the radio broadcast of Coast-To-Coast at night, and apart from a fair amount of great guest interviews, most are semi-delusional types. Interestingly, Coast-To-Coast has had some good stuff lately about the Collapse of the Dollar and other nearly anti-statist sentiment.

The Natives Are Restless!

Peace to you,
Christian

EWMI's picture

Gloria Copeland was asked that question, she said, well if I saw a bunch creatures come of a flying saucer I'd ask them?

D'yall know Jesus?

Starlight's picture

“ D'yall know Jesus?”

It depends on whether it was before the fall of their species or after their fall. ;-)

But what if God had already come and had established a Covenant Dolphin and was already in the process of saving them as well?

What if we found them in a Cro Magnon stage of development? Would we need to build a few pyramids and carve out some decorative mounds on their land and then come back a few 10’s of thousands of years later to check on them? Would we have to come in the fullness of time for them?

If they were Intelligent Dolphins how would we explain the Heavens and the Earth and the Land promises and what about the problem that there would be no more Sea!

Lots of little details we might have to work out with God on how to handle all of this.

Norm

chrisliv's picture

Yeah,

A one-liner like, "D'yall know Jesus?" is more of a statement than a genuine question.

The Copeland's probably never considered what a response might be to that so-called question, because they're probably not interested.

It's all stupid speculation.

Humanity has enough problems with God and their fellow men and women. I mean, for the first time in Human History there were finally 1 billion people alive at one time, around 1800 AD. There are now about 6 billion people alive today. And like someone has said, about one half of all people ever born are alive today.

So, at this rate, the Earth will either expand in size some more, or some State politicians, with their state-incorporated Christian Zionists, will figure a way to kill lots of people, probably slowly, by spewing more Depleted Uranium (DU) in Asia and the Middle East, or by some other covert or overt method before two hundred more years passes.

Of course, Jesus said "Da'ed all claim to know Him."

"Many will say to me in that Day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:22 & 23

This is that Day!

Peace to you all,
C. Livingstone

Parker's picture

"Four hundred years after Renaissance philosopher Giordano Bruno was burnt at the stake for his belief in the "plurality of worlds" (aliens)...
"
Holy smokes why can't secularists get history right???

First, the Catholic Church determined Bruno was a heretic for theological claims: namely that Christ was not God but merely an unusually skilful magician, that the Holy Ghost is the soul of the world, that the Devil will be saved, among other follies.

Second, the Catholic Church tried to stop the civil magistrates from giving Bruno capital punishment. The RCC is against capital punishment with few exceptions, and the Church itself doesn't have civil power and didn't during this trial.

Third, the RCC was the patron of both Copernicus and Galileo, and both were fully sponsored in their scientific inquiry. Their scientific views were fully permitted and sponsored.

Finally, the Vatican Observatory Research Group is among the best scientific teams in the field.

Again, why can't these writers get their facts straight?

StephenGreer's picture

Parker,

These things do not surprise me any more. I've learned that modernist historians are more interested in demonizing Christianity at every turn, and cringe at the idea of showing it in a positive light. Not that all of them do this nowadays, however; there are many good scholars, not all of the Christians, who are rewriting the history of, for instance, the Crusades or the Inquisition in a way that is more amenable to Christianity, showing the evils perpetrated during those times to be the responsibility of the secular government.

Nevertheless, the popular views found in textbooks, encyclopedias, and histories -- both Christian and non-Christian -- seem to have spawned from a hatred of Catholic teaching, be it Protestant or atheist in origin. I myself am not a Catholic, but I appreciate a lot of what the Catholic church has done; frankly, had it not been for the RCC, Western society wouldn't exist, nor would we have the kinds of historical records we do. In any case, I've learned to be wary of sources that demonize the RCC as though it were an obviously evil institution.

Stephen

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