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Could George Bush be the Antichrist?
Having been raised as a Christian, I was taught early that the Antichrist was someone who would come in the name of Christ but be the enemy of Christ. Using that definition, let us examine the proposition that George W. Bush could be the Antichrist.If Jesus Christ was in Bush’s place and he was the president of the United States, would he have taken any of the actions that Bush has taken, including the war in Iraq? In other words, is Bush following the teachings of Christ?
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Is this preterist? Man, I'm sorry I came to this site now.
Good luck,
Steve
Oh come on...get a grip. No, it's not "preterist"...it's a funny article about why a liberal guy think GW might be the antichrist...
Well, it's not that funny. The "Communist Party supports Kerry" wasn't funny either. I feel sorry for that Democrat lady as well.
I've just discovered preterism, and my political opinions are changing, but I don't really see this as putting one's best foot forward in telling the Preterist message.
It's unfortunate that I can't recommend you guys ... and now I wouldn't even think of writing a column. I'll just keep it to my diary.
Steve
Steve,
Now the article about Kerry being supported by the communist party wasn't intended to be funny...that's actually a fact, as opposed to the fictional idea that George W. Bush is the antichrist, which is obviously not a fact.
In case you haven't noticed, this website is populated by razormouth, witty and opinionated users of every theological stripe and political orientation; so this site is not for the faint of heart.
I know the Communist Party story was a fact. I know the GWB-AntiChrist story was not a fact. I was focusing more on the partisan nature of both.
Steve
The air of familiarity. "Hypocritical"- an article.
I'm curious as to why anyone would bother with politics on this site in the first place. Aren't there more pressing and important matters to focus on?
You are right...why would christians bother to go vote for candidates running on a christian platform, aren't there more pressing and important matters to focus on?
That's not really the point. Are you prepared to call anyone "unchristian" who is not voting the same way you are? If that is what your site is for, I will gladly take my leave. You are no better than the right wing nuts.
Thank you for being so accepting and understanding and open-minded and tolerant.
Steve
What are you talking about? The question was in relation to this website covering politics...where does your comment fit into all this?
Steve,
I am not sure exactly where you are going, or where you are coming from, but if I may add a few, what I hope to be, clarifying comments before you jump too quickly.
First of all, there are preterists from EVERY political stripe here. We have Kerry supporters, Bush supporters, Nader supporters, and Constitution Party supporters (sorry that candidate's name slips my mind - no disrespect intended). No one has ever been excluded by Virgil. Virgil has posted articles from each of these positions, and allowed the chips fall where they may.
However, before attacking Virgil (and don't get me wrong, I have had my disagreements with Virgil), you must realize his background. Virgil grew up under a communist regime. He is "hyper-sensitive" to communist dogma, or anything that may lead to such. In this, he has been critical of positions even by Bush that are too socialistic. However, Virgil has what he considers to be a legitimate concern for the Kerry and Nader camps due to either their communist bent (Nader), or the support they receive from such communists (Kerry). Virgil fled the kind of economic policies that so many Americans, even Christians, are now seemingly in favor of. That is what drives his political passions - not some theory, but actual experience. An experience that very few of us have ever had to live with. Virgil, out of his love for his brothers in Christ, and his new country, is passionate about these issues.
So, before condemning Virgil's passionate political leanings, discuss them, and see where he is coming from. Then if you still disagree with him (or you might find that you never have), you will at least have the satisfaction of knowing that you argued from principle and passion, and not emotion.
blessings,
ed
ed
Papa is especially fond of us
Wow..thanks Ed, you stepping up to the plate for me, who would have thought? :)
He supports peace among various spectrums of thought. So humanistic! He allows posts of all flavors!
After all, preterism is the ultimate enemy to futurism and encouraging free thought is "new-age."
You just might be evil!!
Nate
Uh?
Virgil,
One thing that those involved in this thing called preterism better learn before it is too late (and some apparently on this site have not, or will not) is that in spite of differences of opinion, in spite of occasional anger, in spite of anything that may come between us, we cannot/must not/should not be separated from the love of one another that is in Christ Jesus.
Although your stubbornness grates against my stubbornness, I respect who you are, and what you've done here. That's all I'll say, or someone might actually start to think that I like you. :)
ed
Papa is especially fond of us
My sentiments exactly!
Good post!
Seeker
Seeker
Ed,
I didn't mean to attack him. If it came across that way, I apologize. But there's enough disagreement and diversity here (I've figured this out, and agree with you) that if we say "Dems are not Christian" or "Reps are not Christian" then I get unconfortable with that.
Hope to talk to you about Preterism and other things, Virgil.
Take care.
Steve
Steve....really, now.....
-A
http://www.covenantpreterism.ning.com
Well Steve, I've heard it been said,"If he went out from us, he was not one of us".:) Just kick the dust off your feet as you leave. But, reeally, I always thought that Ronald Raygun was the... (wisper)antichrist.
Brother Les
Yeah, that's funny, but what really is this site trying to do? It doesn't bother me that much, but some may get a distorted view of what Preterism might be if stuff like this is thrown in.
It's funny like the "Funny stuff" on the left hand side of the page is funny. Sad and pathetic.
Steve
If a candidate supports just about everything you can think of that's unchristian, what would you call him? We shouldn't call something unchristian when it definitely is?
Seeker
Seeker
Well,
As preterists, we all mostly agree that Nero "The Beast" Caesar fulfilled the biblical role of "The Antichrist".
John, in the first century, mentions, "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time."
In addition to an "Antichrist", Apostle John mentions "many antichrists", who were probably hostile bureaucrats and military officeholders within the Roman Empire who were dispatched as the Jewish War was beginning, and which led, ultimately, to the complete destruction of Jerusalem and Judaism.
So, even as a preterist, it seems obvious that "many antichrists" and hostile bureaucrats or military officeholders continue to be found around the landscape, post-70 AD.
So, yes, of course, Kissinger, Reagan, Bush, et. al., are some highly-regarded mass murderers who would qualify as modern antichrists.
Peace to you all,
C. Livingstone
LOL. Man, you forgot to add Hitler, Stalin, Saddam Hussein. :) That is hilarious.
Steve
Steve,
Chris didn't mean for it to be funny.
ed
Papa is especially fond of us
And yet, it was! LOL
Steve
Yeah,
You're right, they're a bunch of antichrists too. But they're not as local.
It occurred to me, after posting, that it may have been helpful for many on this site who make a seeming distinction between the two wings of the one Statist Party in North America, to include a guy like J.F.K. as one of the contemporary, highly-regarded mass murderers who would also easily qualify as one of the many modern antichrists.
Peace to you all,
C. Livingstone
uh, hmm... I think he is not correct in his theological and political analysis.
aahh, I cut myself with my safety razor. Steve, please, don't be sorry you came to this web site. Go to the Forums and Archives and pour over what real Preterists believe and how we "test" and laugh at the false things of the "world". In Christs Love Leslie
Brother Les
I'm a REAL full preterist who is absolutely not a liberal (I'm right of Rush.) I know that THE Anti-Christ is history. But some of these things about our current president/administration are true, and can be proven.
If any of my brothers and sisters want to separate fact from fiction, please turn off Rush and Hannity and do some research on your own. A good place to start is "bushrevealed.com". This Christian website doesn't provide any information about the war in Iraq, but gives plenty of other information with links to sources (which are easier to read than the too small print at the site).
If you are a no-questions-asked-blind-supporter of this administration, do not go to "bushrevealed.com"!:)
Okay, I'm braced...fire at will.
I'm not a blind supporter of this, or any, administration. But this is exactly the kind of thing I don't look for when I go searching for knowledge. I don't want (or anyone else) to be called a sucker, I don't want (or anyone else) to be told that X is the absolute truth and if you don't believe X then you're ill-informed.
One of the exciting things about Preterism is that, unlike bickering between Dems and Reps, Preterism changes minds. The Word of God can change hearts and minds without CNN, without FoxNews, without TBN, and without Greenpeace.
Steve
Nobody here is a blind supporter of George W. Bush - there are many things I dislike about his policies. The fact remains that the guy will get my vote in November. I hate to rehash the whole argument about throwing away my vote on a third-party candidate, so I'll leave it there.
I'm all for a good laugh. Even a good political laugh. jibjab.com is hilarious this week. But in general, the political world has gotten so partisan it's not fun for anyone. I even started up my own community "Apolitical Christians" on orkut.com because I just feel so fried from the political battle. Not that I'm always apolitical, and I very often say stupid things, but somehow God still has me.
I'd much rather focus on the 2nd Reformation. :)
Steve
Hello Steve:
Focusing on the 2nd Reformation? I think that it was Martin Luther who said that," the Church has changed and is "Changing".Politics is a big part of the "Church". If most Christians were (as they should be) Preterists, then this country would not be worshipping the "creation" instead they would worship the creator.The Age that "is",is gone,the Age to come is here, and has been for 2,000 years.Being in the New Heavens and Earth, we do not have to look for, hope for, pray for, something to come, when it already here.The song says,"Open my eyes Lord, I want to see Jesus".Many people Do Not want to "see" and never will.there are a lot of good articles about Preterist Eschatology, on Don Prestons web site Eschatology.org. Read a little there, come back here, read a little there, come back here. Before you know it you will fit right in with the children of God. In Christs Love. Leslie
Brother Les
I think that was my point, Leslie. ;) I agree with everything you said. Perhaps the "2nd reformation" comment was a little too encoded. Worshipping the Creator is the plan!
Steve